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Apr 13, 2009
Book Reports / (symbolic / character interpretation)? - my new essay is on lord of the flies. [15]

i had to rush at the end but here it is. i kind of lost interest in the topic because i didnt do it right away...

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An Adaption to Ruthlessness
What would it mean to be the lord of the flies? William Golding entitles his work the Lord of the Flies leading one to wonder weather he refers to the decapitated pigs head or to Ralph. The fly is an ignoble creature. It is small. It is a bearer of germs. It is known to feed on feces. If Golding perceives the boys as flies, his view of human beings is completely pessimistic. His premise is that if left alone on an island away from the supervision, rules, and laws of adults, boys would revert to a state of total savagery and would proceed to murder one another. Survival of the fittest would be enacted. To become a lord or ruler of such creatures would require becoming the most violent and vicious person among the group. In short this ruler would rule over insignificant creatures and thus be no true lord at all. Ralph is not able to maintain his rule over the boys because his power stems from his ability to think with forethought rather than physical strength. Ultimately Ralph's intelligence cannot overcome jack's force. One of the true marks of maturity is learning that simply because you can, doesn't mean that you should. In a human context, what does it take to maintain rule, intelligence or strength? Golding puts forth the idea that force is superior to intelligence in the quest for power.

In the beginning it appears that Ralph is the logical leader of the group, but if Ralph hadn't been so calm, Piggy so smart, and Simon so gentle, the other boys would still have come to kill. These softer characters were used as a catalyst to expose the true nature of the boys. They were all just looking for food and playing at first, but when the hunters start messing around and let the fire go out, Ralph says the "smoke is more important than the pig, however often you kill one" (81), and he is not impressed by their kill. They are angry because they think their game is impressive, and they do not appreciate him telling them that all their manly efforts were not of any use. Jack uses this annoyance towards Ralph to his advantage; planting the idea that Ralph is an annoying know-it-all and causing the rest of the hunters to want to show off more to spite him. He revs them up into a frenzy until all they want to do is "Kill the pig. Cut her throat. Spill her blood" (69), and all Ralph's ideas about keeping the fire going seem to be a joke. The hunters feel that they are too strong to take orders from a weakling that "[is] not a hunter. [And would] never have got [them] meat" (126). They don't know anything about him, so when Jack says, "He just gives orders and expects people to obey for nothing" (126), the hunters start to question the idea that they will be rescued with fire, and begin to follow Jack even more. Piggy and Simon are similar to Ralph, being smart and unique. They consider the consequences of their actions, rather than just going for whatever whim comes their way. The hunters don't like this. They want to be able to do what they want, when they want, so when the odd ones tell them to behave, they get annoyed and think they are better than them and shouldn't be ruled by the ones who are not the most vicious or violent. They are not the lord, and therefore are nothing.

That which we want the most is often the worst possible thing for us. It is important in life to know when to draw the line. To know what is ok, and what is going too far. The flies have lost this sense. They can no longer tell the bad from the good, they simply do what they feel is necessary to survive, so when they attack they never think to stop. Never think it is wrong to kill another boy. Thus as the boys forget about their civility, the reader begins to wonder how far they have really gone, and Golding uses the littluns to remind us of the empire waiting for them back home. They act as a gauge, to tell us how far each character has fallen. The littluns are around six, terrified of everything, spend all their time eating and playing, but are essentially harmless. They aren't expected to do anything, but what really shows a persons character is how they act towards those who cannot protect themselves. If you go and poke a baby with a stick, you cannot be a very nice person. Some people pretend, but on the island with no consequences, how they act towards the weak shows a lot about who they are. Ralph, being the leader, is not mean to them, and tries to include them in meetings by using "simple words so that even [they] would understand"(79); however, he doesn't find them useful. This demonstrates his nature. He is a pensive boy who finds delight in swimming, and simple things, and does not find the affairs of others particularly intriguing unless they directly affect him. This is displayed when he tells them to make sure they do not go to the bathroom near the food, water, or tents, and also when they start all the talk about the beast which makes all his followers begin to question him. Piggy is similar to Ralph in that respect, he is not mean, but does not think they warrant his attention. He feels that they are childish, and he is above their games, saying, "If the littluns climb back on the twister again they'll only fall off in a sec. So they might as well sit on the ground and listen" (84), in a rather irritated manner. Correspondingly, Piggy always feels that he is smarter than everyone else, and he comes up with most of the good ideas, even if no one listens to him. Simon on the other hand goes out of his way to be kind to them, bringing them "fruit they [cannot] reach" (56), and looking out for them when no one else does, which exemplifies his kind, caring nature, to sacrifice himself for the well-being of others. One of the middle kids (neither bigun, nor littlun), Maurice throws sand in their eyes and rocks around them; however, when they are all at a meeting he "save them" (87) crying out, "Look at me!" (87), and pretending to fall over in order to make them laugh and avoid their crying. This is not a completely selfless act, in that he would have to wait for them to stop, nonetheless, he still tries to help, which is illustrated later when he follows the rest of the hunters, not exactly wanting to kill, but simply trying to avoid being singled out like the other three, and saving his own skin. This leads to Jack who is mean and thinks they are a "useless lot of cry-babies!" (83), and it would "serve [them] right if something did get [them]" (83) for causing all the trouble about the beast. When Jack's tribe splits off, he leaves all the littuns with the nicer characters who care if they are unhappy or in danger, which shows how he is savage, and will waste no effort in trying to help out little children, simply hunting and killing whatever he can. It's like stealing candy from a baby, if you do it to make yourself happy, then you are a horrible person, and you can't deny it.

Golding uses clothing as a symbol for civilization. Every morning we put on clothes without thinking about their function. Clothes provide warmth and preserve modesty. They also maintain cleanliness and give a protective covering to the skin. The first description of Ralph is that he is trailing his school sweater by one arm and that the clothing he still wears is causing him to sweat. Thus his clothes do not suit the climate or circumstances in which he finds himself. As the book goes on, the boys' clothing deteriorates with their morals. It is a logical response to a tropical climate to wear less clothing. The boys take off their shirts and shoes to remain cool. This is liberating in a physical sense as well as a mental one as they would not be permitted to do this at home. They run around and play enlivened by this new freedom from the restrictions of vestments. The longer they live in this state of virtual nakedness, the dirtier and more ragged they become. The longer they exist without the restrictions of civilization, the mental reaction to autonomy is moral deterioration. Even at the beginning of the book when Ralph pulls off all his clothes, he stands "among the skull-like coconuts" (10), which foreshadows the future. A person who sheds all clothing and discards all morals is less protected from death. Near the end of the book when all the boys' shorts are in tatters and are being held up by mere threads as well as their links to society, Ralph makes one last attempt to rein them in. He puts on his shirt from the first day even though it is stiff with sweat and very uncomfortable. Just as in a restaurant a sign will warn "No shirt no shoes no service", the wearing of clothing represents accountability and responsibility or the consciousness that human nakedness requires covering to be civilized. As the deterioration of morality intensifies, the boys begin to rely more on their fear of danger to make decisions. Unlike animals who navigate their world with instinct, the fear begins to overshadow their common sense. They completely loose their minds when the "demented" dance starts. "Out of the terror (rises) another desire, thick, urgent, blind"(152). They are overcome by their fear and their instincts turn to bloodlust. They are possessed with the urge to kill and they cannot stop themselves. Then at Castle Rock, all the hunters chant and yell, and the "storm of sound beat at them, in an incantation of hatred"(180). Roger is gripped "with a sense of delirious abandonment" (180), and he leans on the lever, causing the boulder to crush piggy. Every time the boys start to chant someone dies. After that the hunters give up all control, and Jack shouts, "There isn't a tribe for you anymore!"(181) They all proceed to attack him with spears and every last trace of humanity is gone. The alpha instinct in Jack to lead overcomes him and he gets the whole tribe to attack. The bloodlust is summoned and the façade of civility is discarded like an unwanted garment.

As the boys deteriorate, they begin to rely more on their fear to determine danger than common sense, more animal than human. When the "demented" dance starts they loose their heads, and "out of terror [rises] another desire, thick, urgent, blind" (152). They are overcome by their fear and it turns into bloodlust, they are possessed, and cannot stop themselves from killing, nor do they want to. Then at castle rock when all the hunters are chanting and yelling, and the "storm of sound beat at them, in an incantation of hatred" (180), Roger is gripped "with a sense of delirious abandonment" (180), and he leans on the lever and the boulder crushes Piggy. When they let themselves be taken over they let all their human thoughts fall away. The sound revs them up, and every time they start to chant, someone dies. After that the hunters give up control all together and Jack shouts "there isn't a tribe for you anymore!" (181). They have fallen into an animalistic state, and Ralph is forced to run for his life as they stab at him. Every last trace of their attempts at society is gone. The alpha instinct in Jack to be leader overcomes him and he gets the whole tribe to attack. Underneath it all, the bloodlust comes out, the façade crumbles, and there is nothing you can do about it, its just human nature.

We need society's structure to keep us from reverting back to animals. When all the hallmarks of civilization have been striped away it is all we can do to refrain from using our instincts to make decisions, and attacking whatever we fear. It is important to try to understand what we fear, or we will live in fear forever, and that fear will turn to aggression and we won't be able to resist. It is our ability to consider the consequences of our actions that separates us from animals. We can consider all angles of a situation, and determine weather it is better to stay and fight, or run and hide. Golding uses the island as a model of larger societies to illustrate how they sink into violence, which makes everyone scared, which in turn brings more carnage. Just like Bush's "war on terror", everyone fights out of fear, fear of loosing what they have. Most do not simply fight for the sake of fighting. Humans fear what they do not understand, and unfortunately we understand very little. It is up to us to try to explain the mysteries of our world in order to maintain civility and refrain from aggression, or we will undoubtedly be doomed to repeat, over and over, all the violence.
sc15pcz   
Apr 10, 2009
Book Reports / (symbolic / character interpretation)? - my new essay is on lord of the flies. [15]

so, my teacher didnt really think the ideas were connected. he said to have two of the paragraph topics be the theme and the other two the body, but im not exactly sure what he meant. i tried rewriting it like he said but i got stuck. help? suggestions? im pretty much at a block and cant seem to write anything else. thanks.
sc15pcz   
Apr 1, 2009
Book Reports / (symbolic / character interpretation)? - my new essay is on lord of the flies. [15]

sean, i get what you mean about ralph and piggy, but there is one point where they are so caught up in the hunters dance that they want to join in and kill simon. they do not loose their morals, but they arent completely intact either.

will work on the rest, just wanted to say that.
sc15pcz   
Mar 30, 2009
Book Reports / (symbolic / character interpretation)? - my new essay is on lord of the flies. [15]

i wrote this before i got any of your comments, but i couldnt decide so it is kind of a mixture of all of them. some of my classmates read it, and they didnt think it was too random but i do... does it fit together at all? it seems to me to just be a jumble but im not sure...

They Made Me Do it
sc15pcz   
Mar 26, 2009
Book Reports / (symbolic / character interpretation)? - my new essay is on lord of the flies. [15]

some ideas, a little more developed than the first. still cant choose one.

Are the littluns filler, or do they mean something more?
The littluns seem to just be in their own little group that does whatever they want, they build castles and play on the beach all day, but they can be useful. Golden uses the littluns to gauge the older boys morality, if they are cruel to them, then they are cruel in general. But they also seem to symbolize the connection between the boys and society, they are innocent and remind us of how people behave in society. The littluns cry a lot, and they are not scared to admit that they are frightened, and they don't go off and hunt or do any of that, they link the boys with their last shreds of normal behavior, and are not caught up in the older boys war.

Piggy, Ralph and Simon Made Me Do It

Would the boys become killers without Piggy, Simon, and Ralph?

Well, obviously they couldn't kill Simon and Piggy if they never existed, but if they were like the others, blood thirsty and savage, the others may have never been driven to kill at all. These softer characters are used to create a contrast between them that brings out the truth about humanity.

No Clothes, No Morals

As time on the island passes, their clothes fall apart, and with them their links to society, and their true human nature emerges.
sc15pcz   
Mar 26, 2009
Book Reports / (symbolic / character interpretation)? - my new essay is on lord of the flies. [15]

you can combine topics as long as you show how they are connected in supporting your specific thesis on human nature and society.
1. character interpretation: choose one of the main characters and interpret the changes he goes through. what do these changes suggest about the novel's message regarding society and human nature? or, compare 2 or even 3 characters to show what ideas these characters represent regarding society or human nature.

2. symbolic interpretation: choose one or more of the main symbols and interpret the importance of that symbol in the novel. what do the symbols suggest about society and human nature. you might analyze changes in the conch throughout the novel and the changes in the tribe it represents. or compare changes in the conch to changes in the lord of the flies (pigs head) to explain how these changes reflect changes in the tribe. or compare different uses of fire. or examine piggy's specs, face paint, or any combination of these symbols. make sure that you compare each of them as you go and link them all together with a thesis regarding human nature and society. use symbol and symbolize only once or twice.

3. interpretation of irony: interpret various ironic situations and their importance in developing the novel's message regarding human nature and society. you might examine the boys' assumptions about grown-ups, the use of fire, their assumptions about the beast, the death of simon and their eventual rescue by the naval commander. in each case make sure you explain exactly how the situation is ironic: how is the reality or outcome of the situation the exact opposite of the characters expectations? what do these ironies suggest about human nature, society, or the nature of reality?

topic should have to do with human nature and society and the novel's message about them. you might also analyze what effect society has on human nature. what kind of societies or governments best keep human nature under control? can any government really suppress problems of human nature completely? why/why not?

i was thinking of maybe doing the symbolism one, the boys clothes fall apart as the novel goes on, and so does their social interactions, and their "humanity".

but then again this is humanity in a way, so i wasnt sure.

also maybe something about how golding uses piggy to keep the novel going, if they didnt have him for the other boys to ridicule and taunt, then they might just end up running around and hunting instead of hunting eachother.

maybe the littluns role, they serve as a gauge of the older boys' morality, how they treat the littuns is how they are. but maybe they might represent something else, innocence... maybe...

how golding uses the gentler characters, simon and piggy to enrage the other boys and get them to the point where they show their true humanity and loose all ties to society.

if you didnt read this book ill just post it somewhere else. i want to have an original topic, and im not sure what i am the most interested in.
sc15pcz   
Mar 24, 2009
Writing Feedback / Catcher in the Rye: reality vs. fantasy [20]

yesss!!!! i got an a! 95! and my teacher wants to use it as a student model!!!!! thank you guys soooooooo much!!! now i have to write another essay. haha! thanks!

-Phoebe
sc15pcz   
Mar 16, 2009
Writing Feedback / Catcher in the Rye: reality vs. fantasy [20]

thanks so much. you have all been really helpful. im not sure if the rest of the essay will live up to your expectations, but if i get feed back quickly i might be able to fit it in. i was trying to do this quickly because i got home late. i may have reverted back to the other stuff by accident at some point
sc15pcz   
Mar 15, 2009
Writing Feedback / Catcher in the Rye: reality vs. fantasy [20]

so is this intro still ok? my teacher said he really liked the intro a lot, and the title.

Holden Caulfield: A Crazy Fool, or a Depressed Realist?
"I swear to God I'm crazy. I admit it" (124).
...

its due on monday, so i am working on it again tomorrow night. i just wanted to get this first paragraph out to see if i am grasping how to do this. thanks again for everyones help.

-phoebe
sc15pcz   
Mar 13, 2009
Writing Feedback / Catcher in the Rye: reality vs. fantasy [20]

Holden can appear crazy, he pretends to be wounded or older, and sometimes imagines running off to a ranch or a cabin in the middle of nowhere, but he is really just a realist, he knows how messed up the world is, and he can't be happy when he is so aware of everything.

maybe?
sc15pcz   
Mar 12, 2009
Writing Feedback / Catcher in the Rye: reality vs. fantasy [20]

not sure if these are quite right.

Thesis: Holden's imagination runs wild as he tries to find a way to fit in with ordinary people, but he goes to far and ends up falling into his own fantasy world.

Body 1: As he blunders through New York Holden eventually comes to regard life as a game, a battle of the phonies vs. the non phonies, which he does not want to take part in, in fear of loosing his sense of self.

Body 2: Whenever the pain becomes too much, Holden fakes life-threatening physical ailments, so he can be treated and possibly cured.
Body 3: Holden has trouble relating to the people around him, so he fantasizes about the possibility of escaping the phoniness of the city and going somewhere peaceful with someone he can get along with.

Body 4: Holden's views on maturity change as the book goes on, and he slowly begins to recognize that fantasy cannot last forever; he has to grow up or be left behind.
sc15pcz   
Mar 11, 2009
Writing Feedback / Catcher in the Rye: reality vs. fantasy [20]

thank you so much. that is all very good advice. any tips on how to organize? i always have problems with making everything connect back to a main idea. thanks.
sc15pcz   
Mar 11, 2009
Writing Feedback / Catcher in the Rye: reality vs. fantasy [20]

directions: interpret Holden's use of lies, false identities and daydream fantasies. what seems to be the purpose of each. make sure to tie each together thematically and develop the specific importance of each unique example without simply repeating some general idea. make sure to organize thought well, have everything connect back to the thesis, and use specific analysis.

this is a 10th grade high school essay.

Phoebe Zajac
Mr. Hagar
English 2 Intensive
16 March 2009

Holden Caulfield: A Crazy Fool, or a Depressed Realist?

"I swear to God I'm crazy. I admit it" (124). Holden, the main character of J.D. Salinger's Catcher in the Rye, is a troubled teenager dealing with normal teenage angst, and, like many teenagers, he becomes depressed and tries to escape. At first, he escapes by physical means (drinking, smoking, etc.), but eventually creates his own fantasy world in which to drown his sorrows and make his life more meaningful. Holden can appear crazy as he pretends to be wounded or older, and he sometimes imagines running off to a ranch or a cabin in the middle of nowhere, but this does not mean he is not realistic. This paper shows that Holden knows how messed up the world is and that he simply cannot be happy when he is so aware of everything. Holden is a pragmatist.

As he blunders through New York, Holden eventually comes to regard life as a game, a battle of the phonies vs. the non phonies, which he does not want to take part in-for fear of losing his sense of self. At the beginning of the book, Dr. Thurmer, the headmaster at Pencey Prep, talks to him about how "life is a game that one plays according to the rules" (8). Holden pretends to listen and agree when he is really thinking, "Game, my ass. Some game" (8). He realizes how, "if you get on the side where all the hot-shots are, then it's a game, all right" (8), how if you are rich and have everything handed to you, and are content with being fake and phony, then it is fun and you can play and not worry about anything. However, if you get on the "other side" (8), then you are screwed. For him the game begins to symbolize this war between the two sides. When he is talking about the "hot-shots" he says, "...then it's a game, all right" (8), and his tone is sarcastic and resentful. He is always talking about his hatred of the phonies, yet he is constantly acting phony himself, when he wears his hunting hat even though he isn't a hunter, or pretends to be a middle-aged man in order to get served alcohol, he even admits it himself, "I hate saying corny things...but when I'm with somebody that's corny, I always act corny too" (60). When he is trying to make a date with the coat-check woman in a bar, he "show her [his] goddam gray hair and [tells] her [he][is] forty-two," (153). "I was only horsing around" (153) he says, but he is acting phony just like the people he despises so much. Unlike them, Holden is not happy to be phony, and therefore not a hot-shot; however, he isn't an "other" either, because he has money, and is pretty good looking. Consequently he is alone, neither true phony, nor true non-phony, he knows if he gave into the phoniness he could win the game, but he despises them for being able to be content with the phoniness, and he is jealous because he can't. He is completely aware of all the bad and annoying things, so he cannot be content with sitting around and pretending to be oblivious, therefore he is on the outside, "way the hell up on Thomsen Hill" (2), just watching the game.

Whenever the pain becomes too much, Holden fakes life-threatening physical ailments so that he can be treated and possibly cured. He knows there is something wrong with him, and he wants to be able to fix it and just be normal, but he goes about it in the wrong way. When he is on a train, he runs into a classmate's mother, and instead of just saying he is sick, or they were let out early, or something more believable, he tells her he has a brain tumor. "It isn't very serious. I have this tiny little tumor on the brain" (58); now, this may seem childish, or to be the hallucinations of an insane person; however, he is merely expressing how he feels about himself. His awareness is the tumor that is on the outside, and can be removed very easily, by giving into the phoniness and becoming just like everyone else. The tumor seems to symbolize his pain and confusion, and how he wants to remove it all from his mind, but that would leave him with a wound, a bullet wound to be more precise. Several times he imagines, while drunk, that he has been shot, and he is stumbling around holding his gut "to keep the blood from dripping all over the place...concealing the fact that [he][is] a wounded sonuvabitch" (150). He pretends to not want anyone to know he's been shot; nevertheless, he wants to call up Jane, the girl he likes. He goes to a payphone, but he doesn't really want to completely mess things up with her, so he calls Sally instead. He acts like he is hiding his pain, but all he really wants is for someone to care that he is hurt, enough to come patch him up and take care of him. He seems to think he is crazy, and needs taking care of, but his "craziness" is merely depression from knowing the truth and not being able to block it out, unlike those "goddam" phonies.

Holden has trouble relating to the people around him, so he fantasizes about the possibility of escaping the phoniness of the city and going somewhere peaceful with someone to whom he can connect. He is always thinking about running off to a cabin or ranch somewhere far away, even asking his friend Sally Hayes if she will go away with him. "It's everything." he says to her, "I hate living in New York and all" (130), he hates everything about the city, he goes on to rant about all the things he hates, the transportation, the elevators, the pants, the cars, the phony people who like the phony actors-basically everything that makes the city the city. However, Sally has her doubts, the way Holden talks, he jumps from one thing to the other, and Sally cannot follow his train of thought, so she is confused and scared by his sudden, "crazy" outburst. She says, "...we're both practically children. And did you ever stop to think what you'd do if you didn't get a job when your money ran out? We'd starve to death" (132). She doesn't understand what the cabin means to him, and she can't imagine why he would hate the city so much. In some ways Holden's idea appears mature and realistic, in that he wants to grow up and marry Sally and be independent, but he hasn't really thought it through, and it would be very immature for him to just leave town, with no proper plan, with a girl he doesn't even really like, and go live out in the middle of nowhere. He feels trapped in the city and hates it, but he can't just run off like that. Besides, they "both hated each other's guts" (133) after only a little while together, so they couldn't stand each other's company for very long. As the "Catcher in the Rye," Holden attempts to catch Sally and stop her from being sucked into societies game and losing her innocence, by taking her away from the city.

Holden's views on maturity change as the story unfolds, and he slowly begins to recognize that fantasy cannot last forever; he has to either grow up or be left behind. At first, Holden imagines himself to be the "Catcher in the Rye," he is the one who has to run around on top of a cliff, and "catch everybody if they start to go over the cliff" (173). He thinks has to stop all the little kids from making a mistake and falling, which in reality is maturing. Holden himself is like a little kid in many regards, always making things up, making rash decisions, and not planning for the future. He has not matured at a normal rate, so now he is stuck trying not to "fall off the cliff," and lose his innocence, or let any of the others off the cliff. He feels that in doing so, he will fall even further behind the kids. He is scared to take the plunge and mature, so he wont let others do it either. He struggles with this concept, trying to remain innocent in that respect. Nevertheless, after becoming extremely depressed, he sees his sister Phoebe on the carousel, and realizes she still has some of her innocence, when she is still "mad about the carousel" (210), and she isn't too big to ride it, even though he previously believed she had lost it. Holden discovers that losing your innocence is not so bad. Falling off the cliff isn't the problem, you must try to "grab for the gold ring" (211), meaning maturity, or you will never make it. He realizes that "if they fall off, they fall off, but its bad if you say anything to them" (211), he cant change what happens; it's out of his hands. Everyone has to mature sooner or later. They must find their maturity on their own, and learn to pick themselves back up after they fall, or they will never make it in life. If you say anything or try to help them along, then later they will fall and wont know how to help themselves. He sits watching Phoebe on the carousel in the pouring rain, so happy that he "was damn near bawling" (213) just to see his sister having fun and enjoying being a kid while she still can.

Holden's fantasies throughout the book seem to be "crazy," but they are just exaggerations of his feelings, desires, and depression from knowing how messed up the world is, culminating into a world he wishes to be real, no matter how insane. He becomes more and more depressed as he tries to bring his fantasies into reality, but realizes that he can't make them unite, and he has to find a way to be happy in reality, even though he knows the truth about the world. Holden finally realizes that, after all, reality isn't always so horrible; there are good things that can block out the bad, if he just lets them.
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