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Oct 11, 2009
Writing Feedback / First Philosophy Essay; Pascal's Wager and the Advent of Infinite Future Gods [8]

Dear Essay Forum Contributors,

I found this website a few days ago and found the feedback given to others to be of a great quality! I thought you might be able to help me, and I might be able to help you in the future.

My situation right now:
I'm writing my first essay in about 6 years right now, after taking many gap years off after high school. Below is my first draft, which is as far as I've gotten so far. I know it still has a lot of work left to be done, but if you fine people could look over it fot structural and logical errors, I would really appreciate it.

Thank you,
R.

Instructions:
Topic B: Pascal's Wager and the Many Gods Objection

Blaise Pascal argued that it makes sense to believe in God because the cost of not doing so if God exists is eternal damnation, while the benefit of believing in God if he exists is eternal bliss. Pascal's critics have often replied that his argument doesn't work because it applies equally as well to many other supernatural beings and doesn't single out the Judeo-Christian God. Does this objection work? Your job in this paper is to critically assess the many gods objection to Pascal's wager, taking into account W. Lycan and G. Schlesinger's discussion in their paper "You Bet Your Life" (available in the course packet). Does the many gods objection undermine Pascal's wager? Or do Lycan and Schlesinger succeed in showing that Pascal's wager works after all? Explain. Pascal's wager will be covered in lecture, but you may also find it useful to consult the short expository piece by Elliott Sober, which can be found on the handouts section of the course website.

Pascal's Wager and the Advent of Infinite Future Gods

Philosophers like Blaise Pascal and Willian Lycan plant seeds of doubt in our heads, making us wonder that despite the low probability that God, or multiple gods, actually exist, it is beneficial to believe in them because the potential benefits outweigh the potential costs. If the Christian God really exists then belief in him has infinite rewards, while not believing holds only infinite punishment. If he does not exist, then there is only a very small gain or punishment during our lives, which can be calculated in finite terms. Infinity will always surpass a finite number, so if I were to search back through time and weigh the expected utility of believing in different gods, it is plausible that I will find a god, using my own set of criteria, that will give me the largest possible gain for the least risk. Assigning values to a very large, but finite, number of things in an unchanging universe may be possible. Adversely, assigning concrete values to an infinite number of things is impossible. I argue that once confronted with with the idea of an infinite timeline, and the appearance of infinite gods, Pascal's Wager fails because the idea of infinite, currently unknown gods conquers it.

Lycan and his contemporary, George Schlesinger, first argue in their essay that the expected utility of a god can be increased or decreased by empirical evidence from history (274). One may look at the spread of Christianity and it's current status as the worlds most practiced religion as evidence that Christianity is the most true religion. When one does this they are only analyzing information gathered thus far. It is illogical to expect that no more information can ever be gathered. With the birth of Muhammad in 570 (Peters 102), new facts become available that could drastically alter the calculations for Christianity. Prior to the birth of Muhammad the world population was 0% Muslim, while currently it sits at 22% (CIA World Fact Book). Using Pascal's own argument, it is wise for us to believe that many other religions will rise in the future, because we have have evidence throughout history of religions rising. With the rise of a theoretically infinite number of religions rising in an infinite future, it is not possible to assign an inflexible possibility on the existence of one religion. Just as Islam came to question Christianity, an infinite number of future religions will be created, causing further question into which religion correct.

Within this concept of infinite religions being created, one might ask why they should not just believe in Christianity and hope for the best. It is after all, promising infinite rewards for belief, and threatening infinite punishment for disbelief. In a world of infinite possible gods, it may be the case that a future god, or infinite number of future gods, will offer an even greater reward versus suffering package. Future god x might offer everything that Christian God offers and more, but there might be the stipulation that you can have never believed in the Christian God. Lycan and Schlesinger suggest that the reward that a god offers will greatly influence the god people choose to worship (280) and that these rewards will be different for different people (280). In a future where infinite possible gods may rise there also rises an infinite number of hellish punishments for believing in a false idea. Betting on one possible infinite pleasure opens a person up to an infinite number of hellish punishments, which seems like a very unsafe bet. By not believing in anything a person opens themselves up to an infinite number of future punishments, but also an infinite number of future rewards from the gods who reward not believing in any false gods. By betting on one god in this manner, a person is losing out on an infinite number of rewards from gods that reward non-believers, while still receiving an infinite amount of possible damnation.

A final argument from Lycan and Schlesinger is that when presented with so much data, it is very logical to choose the most simple answer (276-277). When we cast aside superfluous information like God's shape, form and his story of creation, we are left with what Anselm called an "absolutely perfect being" (Lycan 276). Without the preconception that God may have curly blonde hair or the trunk of an elephant, we are left with the fewest possible things to refute. This means that we have less to disprove, so it is most likely we are correct. However, when we are faced with an infinite timeline we are again confronted with the idea of infinity; if the future is infinite, no one can really know if believing in the simplest possible god is a good bet. In an infinite future we will be presented with a possibly infinite number of simple and perfect gods, and also an infinite number of extremely complicated gods. When we are presented with an infinite number or every type of god, it becomes impossible to even choose the simplest possible god, because the probability of choosing anything is infinite.

One might argue that in questioning belief in god with infinity, people should also question everything else with the infinity concept. I say that this does not hurt my argument. I am not trying to prove that god does or does not exist, nor am I trying to prove that anything else does or does not exist. I am not attempting to prove or disprove that Julius Caesar was really First Consul of Rome. When we are questioning whether it is pertinent to believe in God and his afterlife, we have already agreed that we are currently alive and that we will one day die. We would not worry about an afterlife is we did not believe this. So in believing that we are alive we will worry about our ultimate demise and what will happen after it. With the argument for the advent of infinite future gods, I am attempting to say that it does not matter if gods exists or not, because our probability for reward and punishment are both infinity. If we do not assume that we are alive to begin with, then the argument for an afterlife does not really matter. Something that is not alive can not have a life that comes after life.

When the concept of infinity is introduced to the arguments of Lycan and Schlesinger the idea of a best guess is rendered moot. Even if one is to start off with a 40% chance of God X existing, dividing 40% by the concept of infinity can only result in an answer of infinity. A god with an initial probability of .0001% divided by the infinity concept will also be infinity. If one tries to calculate an expected probability, or expected utility of a god actually existing with only a finite amount of information, they are not taking into account the fact that there will always be more facts in the future. If future information and revelations were not possible, Christianity would never have had an Islam rise to challenge it. Therefor, Pascal's Wager and Lycan's defenses of it cannot stand in a world of infinite future and infinite probability.
aroundtheworld   
Oct 11, 2009
Writing Feedback / increase in sale reflect the power of advertisement not for real need [3]

Just a few points:

I think your conclusion that commercial advertisements contributes to increased sales is correct, but you might want to think of some better examples.

You say that rich people buy tons of luxury goods because they want to show off to the community. It seems here like you're arguing that rich people buy things because they want to show off, not because advertisements push them to do so.

You might want to rework your conclusion. Why is rising demand causing people to buy more products? What is fuelling this rising demand; is it advertisement?

Just a few things to think about.
Good luck!
aroundtheworld   
Oct 11, 2009
Writing Feedback / Friction Between Roommates Draft [4]

Hi quiksilverq,

I think your essay presents your points very well!

But I don't know if adding fluff for extra words is very advantageous for you. Your professor has probably given you a word limit so that you include a certain amount of thoughtfulness, not show off your extensive knowledge of vocabulary.

Best of luck!
aroundtheworld   
Oct 11, 2009
Writing Feedback / First Philosophy Essay; Pascal's Wager and the Advent of Infinite Future Gods [8]

EF_Kevin,
Thanks for the early praise! It's good to hear something nice after not having written in so long. I immediately understood your points when I looked back at my essay and am busy altering it to reflect your thoughts.

Your point about not being able to 'go shopping' for our beliefs is a very good one, and one that I believe in myself. Pascal said in his original wager that it is possible to force ourselves to believe something by immersing ourselves in this belief. If we cut ourselves off from heretical things like philosophy and go to church everyday and sing, it is far easier for us to believe than it is for us if we live a different life. The idea of brainwashing and indoctrination have, I think, proven that it is possible to make people believe things against their better judgements.

But I totally agree with you. People don't usually just decide to believe in something because it might be beneficial for them. I think the wager is directed more towards the agnostic, less towards the atheist.

EF_Stephen,
That is not an argument against my point that I had previously thought of. Thank you for raining on my parade!

But I think the Multiple Gods Objection might still stand up to your point, depending on which god you're talking about. If you're considering Yahweh, God and Allah as being the same god with a different name, I would argue that there could still be other gods brought into the picture that are different in substance and name. If you're thinking that Zeus, Ra, Allah and future-god-x are all the same god, this poses a larger problem. But since different religions demand obedience to one doctrine, a contradiction is formed here. What is the point in believing in any god, since certain religious groups will let me ascend to heaven without belief? If every religion, now and future, were to be worshipping the same god, there is no need for me to believe, since some of those religions say I go to heaven, even if I live as a terrible person.

Philosophy is kind of crazy. It was the last class available that my program would accept for credit, but it has proven to be the most trying and insightful!

edit: Have I explained Pascal's Wager well enough that if you had never seen it before, would you understand it?
aroundtheworld   
Oct 12, 2009
Writing Feedback / Toefl essay Which is more important for success ------ [6]

Maybe you could include another reason why you think hard work is important? All the points you have so far seem to be trying to make me think that intelligence is of much greater value. You say that smarter students have more leisure time, a less difficult time in school, have a much easier time getting a scholarship, and can read the minds of their opponents?

So where is the benefit of being a hard worker? You give the example of your brother, but you make it seem like he had a terribly hard time compared to the more intelligent kids. If not being highly intelligent makes achieving your dreams harder, why is hard work equally important as intelligence? You might want to elaborate on this.

You might also want to think about how you present the need to use hard work and intelligence together. You say that in the business world you can't just flip through texts anymore, but could you really just do this in university? Maybe you can tie hard work and intelligence together by saying that intelligent people need to work hard in university to get good grades. This hard work in university could imbue them with the work ethic they need to succeed in the business world. You might also need to define what you consider intelligence to be. One person may view Einstein as a genius, while others may think that anyone below Stephen Hawking has no brains.

But yeah, these are just suggestions.
Good luck!
aroundtheworld   
Oct 12, 2009
Writing Feedback / Ielts---whether the pros of multi-cultured societies are more than the cons [5]

I feel that your conclusion is strong, but you don't back it up with any of the information you've provided in the rest of your essay. You've provided me with the pros and cons of multicultural civilization and globalization. Thanks, I'm a little bit more knowledgeable now. What you haven't done is argue your point. Try reworking your essay so that it still presents both sides, but also argues what you think is best.

Good luck!
aroundtheworld   
Oct 12, 2009
Writing Feedback / Toefl essay---Technology has made the world a better place to live. [16]

As can been seen,A recent survey conducted by the experts indicates that twenty percent of people losehave lost their jobs due to the development of technology during the last ten yearstechnological development in the last ten years .Technology,in another word this context,is an invention aiming at developing the society. Recently an accumulating numberMany people recentlyof people put their emphasis on the hot topic of technology, specifically how it makes our world a better place to live. A fair proportion of people contend that it is true that the development of technology affects us in the positive ways, such as providing the promotion for our transpotation and communication. Others, nevertheless, advocate that technology brings our world more problems. As far as I am concerned, technology should beis responsible to for some of the problems making our world worsein our world . There are numerous reasons why I gethave this conclusion, but I could justand I will explore them below.

I've edited the grammar of your essay and made it a little shorter, but it still feels a little wordy to me. Consider removing the explanation of what technology is; people will know what you're talking about. Your essay isn't a dictionary! You might also consider removing examples of good and bad technologies from the introduction and tackling those issues later in your essay.

I hope this helps!
R.
aroundtheworld   
Oct 12, 2009
Writing Feedback / First Philosophy Essay; Pascal's Wager and the Advent of Infinite Future Gods [8]

Dear EF contributors,

I have just finished a massiveedit of my essay and I feel it is much stronger than before. If you would please look over it for any errors, I would be very appreciative. The instructions for writing are still the same as my first post.

Thanks,
R.
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