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Rajiv   
Apr 27, 2009
Writing Feedback / Here's the Problem - an essay [3]

It is my children and their friends who have made me realize how different the coming world is going to be. Where the children now growing up in lavish surroundings will seek out the impoverished and those who were deprived, and will try to understand and uplift them. Why, you may ask? Because no one really wishes to be an inheritor. Neither does he or she want to carry the burden of deeds of the past upon their conscience. But in the end really, because everyone wants to know what is life all about? The mystery and wonder, the infinite. Do not think even for an instance that any one nation has answers more than any other to these eternal questions.

Be patient, be peaceful, I know you are loving, and above all give of yourself to the world through your wonderful writing.
Rajiv   
Apr 27, 2009
Speeches / talk about someone in your family who you admire [8]

Hi Débora - I am just putting the finished piece after Rosamond's corrections above:

We all have someone in our family who we most admire. From my perspective these people are essential for us as we have somebody to look up to. In my case, the person I esteem the most is certainly my grandfather, whose life story inspires me and even helps me to pursue a better life.

He was born in Pouso Alegre, a small village in Minas Gerais, son of an idealist journalist who used to fight alongside the small farmers, against powerful landowners. He used to live happily with his mother and brothers, until the day his dad was murdered. He was just six years old when he started working as a bootblack to help his mother. Life was hard but he never gave up. After a lot of work and dedication he realized his dream and graduated in law in one of the best colleges in the country.

Everyone has dreams but there are few people in the world strong enough to fight for them. Surely, my grandfather is one of this those. Courage, determination and constantly striving are the traces of his strong personality that I most prize. He is smart and extremely confident and it is always a pleasure to hear his life experiences.

I aspire to follow in his footsteps so that I can be a better person and guarantee a successful future for myself.

Now, may I leave a message for her -

Rosamond: You were not in the wrong, so do not think that is what everyone on this forum believes. Only that particular thread has been removed. I am happier to read your writings than of the 10,000 others!
Rajiv   
Apr 29, 2009
Writing Feedback / Machine Learning versus Learning by Humans [51]

This I feel as what maybe - as opposed to what definitely is not!

Characteristics we see in individuals, do not vanish on their dying. Their own memory of their own life experience does. And learning and knowledge is of the nature of these characteristics, a modification of them.

As though these characteristics form a knot, or a clump, a seed - which germinates through birth. The character traits drive the individual, who is growing out in the body.

In human interactions it is these characteristics which rub together, as much as we allow, and sometimes more than we wish to; always leaving some impact on each other.

Then there is the objectivity of things. We interact physically with objects through a connection with an objective knowledge of their function. Say, when we want to push something big, we can use a machine whose motions and actions we are connected with, through a concrete aspect in our own mind which recieves and reacts and converts our thougths to our actions.

We may come upon some unfamiliar device and our mind may try to put together some functions in an attempt to create something coherent as a whole. Our action may be obstructed by lack of a key or some weight, or a closed door. We search for functions in our mind by which to make the whole action happen. When it doesn't, it is because we were not able to connect to some specific part of it, which could even have been knowing, who to call to find where a key is. This correct thought of the function is its objective reality. And everything physical has these, and is actually really just these, in some form or external design.

That things come together in just some particular way and no other, giving it a sense of being unique, an identity, is what we recognize as its law, its nature. And similarly, living things grow by a process which we can talk as simpler processes, down to the point we can almost say, aha - so it has to be this way. Seems so for every mechanical process too, when we deconstruct a function; we come down to its materials and it is their behaviour which seems to determine what we tried to create, a metal door, a hinge, a gear. And it is by these properties of different substances by which we recognize them, gasoline, water, wood, fabric. We work in our minds with these properties as we try to make something, which too reflects a property, correctly if we succeed, differently if if lacked some knowledge.

The unique and objective nature of a thing is independent of our capacity to come to know of it. But when we do, it is invincibly connected with us in the deepest sense. That is, its objective nature is one with ours. Almost like an extension.

Conscience, as an attributeless, substanceless, energyless entity, but as awareness, is the connection between thoughts, in our minds and the objectivity outside. Already we have two seperate layers in our minds. Memory is an almost physical one, with a connection to our bodies like a computer's memory functions; and attributes or characteristics are traits we recognize as our personalities, which essentially are who we are, growing out as our physical features as well.

We look out at the world and at ourselves limited by the development in our nature, and therefore through it. Conscience is our consciousness, with a strangely more bloated sense of itself, for each; maybe because in the process of living and thinking it often thinks of the making of things happen. Though quite outside itself and actually in the bed of a tranquil conscience, by its laws; often thinking itself as doing more than it was really involved in.

So in this bed of conscience, characteristics come afloat on losing the physical coherence of a body, existing as a potential or many potentials, and no single identity. The mould is a life-form, for it is a potential fufilled through the action of that kind. Like some seed strewn in a field, it germinates in living form, to live primarily by its innate principles. The characteristics are afloat in the bed of conscience and follows its laws. The body slowly acquires, in its immediate situation, though a collection of traits, a name for itself to whom these traits belong. There is no identity other than this, that they all act through the body, as fragments of properties; like a glass of water, a trolley, or a pear.
Rajiv   
Apr 29, 2009
Undergraduate / US Prep school admission essay -- my future dream of being a diplomat [7]

I imagine myself attending the commencement at WA, being proud of having acquired the important skills for my future dream of be[coming]ing a diplomat.

WA enjoys a unique diversity, which is not to be found anywhere else. Each student from his own homeland brings in a new taste of culture and mutual understanding. This advantage gives me the [a] chance to learn [at] first-hand how people from every walk of life think and live. Having a brief but exact knowledge about cultures and traditions [will] enable me, [as] a future global citizen and a diplomat, to make a quick adjustments while working overseas.

WA also offers me an opportunity to try many things that I wo'nt [would not] be able to do in Vietnam. I can learn a totally new foreign language to explore a new culture. I can also join a debat[ing] club to strengthen my speaking and critical thinking [skills]abilities .

At the moment, I am [in] holding the position of the School Student Discipline Committee, which gives me a sense of confidence and leadership. t[T]he experienced and responsible teaching staff at Wasatch Academy can provide me with the knowledge I need in both life and future career[and] i[I] would love to learn from the best teachers in the best classes that WA has to offer.

t[T]here's a strong belief in me that all of my hidden talents or abilities can be explored and developed during the years at WA. Deep in my heart, I understand that after three years there, I would leave this place with more than what I walked in with . I believe WA is the perfect environment where my dreams will take flight, and many other treasures will be found.
Rajiv   
Apr 30, 2009
Undergraduate / There were times when I didn't craved for life. A shiny new car. (obstacle or bump essay) [4]

Jennifer,

If you're lucky you'll meet the right sort of teacher who will recognize the poetry in your choice of words. Then, he or she will gently help you stretch your own sense, which is tuned naturally to your native tongue, to fullfill the needs of english grammar. It will be exhilarating for you, or dull and punishing, depending on your teacher.

For you, I hope it is the former.
Rajiv   
Apr 30, 2009
Writing Feedback / Machine Learning versus Learning by Humans [51]

It would be a little misleading for me to take your ..getting what I am saying, as making sense to everyone. For instance, why is a school's philosophy department unwilling to study this then? And, where is their objection precisely?

Is it in accepting any particular premise such as, characteristics are longer lasting than our physical selves? Or is it the definition of objectivity, as an innate property in materials? Or this, that a conscience whose only characteristic is awareness, connects objectivity outside to ourselves?

Or finally, it is the way we look at things at present that our consciousness, seeing itself responsible for actions which though happening solely as an interaction of objective laws and our own character traits, creates an illusionary effect in our minds, as being due to ourselves?

Is this not contrary to what we want to believe? Does this convey somehow to people to not apply themselves?
Rajiv   
May 1, 2009
Writing Feedback / Machine Learning versus Learning by Humans [51]

In which case I thank you very much for reading my essay and your comments on them. It's more than what anyone else has done !
Rajiv   
May 1, 2009
Writing Feedback / Archimedes; "Eureka!" essay [10]

Different densities of material of the same weight displace different amounts of water. Using a scale to measure a slot of gold the same weight as the crown, Archimedes placed both objects in water attached to the scale and discovered which item displaced more water. Since the densities of the object was less than the solid gold nugget, silver having a density of 10.5 g/ml and gold 19.32 g/ml, the greater water displacement of the more denser item was displayed by the lifting of the crown.

Use this instead of the above, it appears as more accurate -

Columbia Encyclopedia entry:
Archimedes' principle, principle that states that a body immersed in a fluid is buoyed up by a force equal to the weight of the displaced fluid. The principle applies to both floating and submerged bodies and to all fluids, i.e., liquids and gases.
Rajiv   
May 4, 2009
Writing Feedback / Machine Learning versus Learning by Humans [51]

Understanding is a 'seeing' and I don't even wish this to be taken as an original statement. When we 'see', we may put our mind more into the observation and extract more. At the same time and at another level a picture is formed and we add to its details till we say - aha, now I understand. The visual picture has in contrast many objects and we can see them mostly at once, the entire forms we wish to identify. The picture forming in our mind seems in this sense to 'appear' a little slowly.

As I walk into a room that I have never been in before and take in the objects, the setting, the people present. I might find myself involuntarily gazing at something longer. Without any effort that I would recognize myself making, I have started to assimilate the forms, relating them to something already in my mind, mostly an expectation of what I thought I would see here, but as likely, it is a feeling of anticipation of what I would find and who would actually be in the room...

If this was a visit to someone's home for the first time, as this person spots and acknowledges me, I find my mind moving into a high gear of observation. I notice the attitude of other individuals around, but unconciously I notice too the quality and the types of things in the room. All of it is making an impression. In some almost unconscious way this adjusts my own attitude as I address not the person alone I came to meet, but this entire context.

There are a few more expected moments as I become situated, by gestures the person makes towards a place to sit, offers me something to snack or sip upon. Maybe next, introduces me gently to the conversation happening there, then shifts his attention to the persons he was engaged in that conversation with. The others in that group are taking you in, more so those who were listening at the time you joined in. The person who was leading the conversation has a look of controlled patience waiting for the ripple created by your arrival to subside that he may continue to make his point.

The host is the fulcrum and even as you may start to listen in to the people talking in your group, you notice the expression on his face. Try to read something there of what he has to say of the person talking, or is it some pleasure on seeing you, that you have come, which would be if he were a close friend or relative. Is there some concern as he checks your expression, if you are entirely comfortable, for unlike himself, the others are likely to be strangers to you.

Such is human nature, or more so because this occasion is in all likelihood a social one, the greater interest is in the new, the off from the expected kind, and you feel the interest shifting to making out just who you are. For until then only the host knew you, and you are of some importance to him to have been brought here in similar company, and everyone stands back to hear your introduction and what you may bring to this gathering.

You feel some sympathy for your friendly host and are aware this is not easy for him. He may now say, " This is Rajiv, I am not sure what he is doing exactly. So I'll let him tell you that !"

So, you introduce yourself "I've been writing for a while now, nothing to publish, more to make sense of the difficulty I personally feel in trying to connect the culture here with that in India."

"And what kind of sense is that ?" someone asks.

"What bothers me is that I have to dumb myself down. That is, I feel pressed to give way in most situations to react as someone making less sense of it would do. "

He responds " So you are saying that even though you would ideally say something else, you feel compelled somehow to phrase yourself differently. And this isn't just because you do not speak the language well enough? "

You want to say "No. Since even an illiterate person, grown up here in US is able to navigate himself in commonplace conversation in shops, while walking along the streets, and other such times. Something else inhibits this from happening with me. But in India, there is no sense of this stifling up at all".
Rajiv   
May 6, 2009
Writing Feedback / Machine Learning versus Learning by Humans [51]

Thanks for following along Kevin. Helps me a lot to write it down

I feel quite certain that for each of us spirituality never became irrelevant, we only lost our way in how to carry it further.

The term spirituality is overused now and often invites ridicule. But will we be as ready to say that it never had any meaning? To me it is obvious, that for even the most seasoned Indians here, these same things are ever-close to their hearts. Their mockery is for people who discuss it. And their reluctance to start any discussion, is that these things may be talked lightly about. Like avoiding talk about someone who is dear, but perhaps handicapped, and they wish to avoid the pain of implicit laughter to themselves and to him.

I might myself be considered such a person, and in reality there is more than a superficial similarity here. But I have always been interested in exploring the rational we can still attach to these ideas - in these technology driven times of ours.

Let me tell you my own experience in spirituality.

I had been reading 'The Yoga Sutras of Patanjali' for a few years and had discerned the central practice given there. It comprised eight stages of transformation, until the final called 'Kaivalyam' - 'Oneself alone'. The first two stages are about our behaviour and just thinking about them and what they asked for, made one get a hook on many things one may otherwise do almost thoughtlessly. This helped me connect my mind to my actions and, in time, built a foundation of who I was becoming as a person.

The next two stages are difficult to get a real handle on, and will appear even more so now, because in the present, they would probably be considered as injurious. The first, in a manner similar to the previous two, is about regulating our breath, or more about controlling its flow entirely. There are finer steps described to achieve that, but ultimately the aim is arresting the breathing altogether. The implication is that our mind-stuff and its various states are interdependent with breathing, and we can bring our mind in control through this practice.

As I started to make an effort, I distinctly remember feeling that I would succeed this time. As I held my breath for longer and longer intervals, my heart began to race. A fear of something irrevocable was rising in me, like I was letting go of something secure, and casting into an unknown space. My heart was beating with this fear. I had closed my eyes and was sitting in the posture of meditation. My visual perception started tearing up. Lighter forms were becoming an extension of something beyond them, of what had appeared as darkness until then. A bewildering realization came to me, that whether I opened my eyes or closed them, what I was percieving now was not going to change. This was actually the real situation of my normal everyday existence which had been overpowering me. I was now confronting it in its totality, and I was terrified.

Something of that nature was occuring with my hearing as well. It seemed as a voice, sounding as my own, and as though I had always been hearing it within my mind, clear, even toned and very reassuring was reasoning with me, telling me what is going on. I did not have to talk of my problems or difficulties, it was more like we were looking at them in their reality.

One significant aspect of this experience I remember was seeing myself situated somewhere, but the actions of my body seemed external to me. Events were happening, even the smallest ones, in a way which appeared totally predictable. You felt like, it has to be as this next, and everything you experienced was driven by yourself, but without any sense of willing it. Yet everything seemed to happen for the better, and every action as though you had wished for - in a sort of unravelling of yourself.

(~L~)
Rajiv   
May 8, 2009
Writing Feedback / Machine Learning versus Learning by Humans [51]

Kevin - I liked what you wrote in your last post there and I am on the same page with you.

No Sean, its not the species of the creatures which deters me.. but the futility of arguing. I would be happy to hear you and others on what I've written here, though.
Rajiv   
May 9, 2009
Writing Feedback / Machine Learning versus Learning by Humans [51]

.. And these are the ideas I am trying to convince the professor at Stanford with; to introduce her to the concepts in the philosophy I want her to put alongside the others.

Why don't you tear down the essays, I'll try and build it up where it doesn't give way altogether.
Rajiv   
May 9, 2009
Writing Feedback / Machine Learning versus Learning by Humans [51]

By the same token your statement sounds even more suspiciously as someone trying only to make light of what I've said. Where is the comparison to oxygen deprivation that would validate your comment. The comparison to baby_mind is an attempt to mock again. Nothing of worth to take up in what you're starting off with here.
Rajiv   
May 11, 2009
Writing Feedback / Machine Learning versus Learning by Humans [51]

OK, no offense taken since you have explained this as your method earlier.

But, so I understand what we are doing here, the alternatives are, that either you believe I am saying things you've heard already, and these are not of much consequence; or you try to ascertain the truth in my assertions.

And for that, you can follow uptil a point with your own understanding and reason, but then you have to put it to test when I say something happens.

At that point, I am curious, what method you will employ?
Rajiv   
May 11, 2009
Writing Feedback / Machine Learning versus Learning by Humans [51]

In India and many other Eastern countries, babies are considered as acting from a divine consciousness. Adults often interpret many of their reactions as of greater significance in many situations where maturer individuals would control the emotions they display, or become self conscious. This may have been believed in the West as well at some time, but as it did not sit well with scientific theory, it is only now coming around as being acceptable to talk about. This divine consciousness is the same being debated on the other thread.

The description of the experience I gave is much more than euphoria and a change in the level of consciousness. I am curious, why, do you not address the experience and its many facets I wrote about?
Rajiv   
May 11, 2009
Writing Feedback / Machine Learning versus Learning by Humans [51]

Well seeing how you breeze through whatever you may come upon here, you appear not unlike one of the machines you rever. You come here, having programmed yourself to give the poor sops who put their gibberish here, just so much of yourself - convinced that they are still better off for whatever you throw their way.

You do not expect to learn anything your self here at all. That learning, you'd rather memorize and take without even a pinch of salt from the journals you browse, just to keep up this charade, for yourself and the others you believe.

Do you then go to your club in some old english style part of your town, where you and your cronies puff your cigars while you admire each others polished shoes and plaid socks, and drink bloody marys? You raise your self worth by pretending the world is still white and black, and will always be that way. And then you tell your buddies how brilliantly you wrote on this forum of heathens, or is it something else you call them, and then you stagger out late in the night pretending the bobbies think you guys as the 'lads' and 'good ol sports'?

Pathetic!
Rajiv   
May 13, 2009
Writing Feedback / Machine Learning versus Learning by Humans [51]

I apologize for allowing my baby_mind to take over earlier. Here is the other response, maybe the kind I should have given in the first place.

I was twenty-two. For many years I had been resisting the direction I was finally taking. Life should be fun, and challenging as well, but never so bleak that you lose control altogether, have no choice but to fall into despair. That was the reason I had resisted this direction.

I am not going to say what made me change. Or why I now felt ready to face my fate. But I had taken the steps which brought me to the door where my future would unravel.

I arrived, the month and year I can still remember, on april of '78 at my parent's home, in a state of mind that may have surprised them too, though they wouldn't show it. They knew better than I did that there was a certain inexhorableness in the march of these events, and I was where I had to be.

Five years earlier, my dad had taken an early retirement from his previous employment, and put his money in starting a small engineering workshop in an industrial town close to Delhi. He was a patient of asthma and sometimes his asthma attacks were so severe that he would sit up in bed, shoulders humped, and breathe with a painful and laboured sound, sometimes for hours. I had come to dread that sound, for it was in the night that he'd have these attacks. There is a lot of emotion tied with that, but I will be able to gradually bring them up I hope.

It was easy enough to set up the workshop, buying and erecting a couple of power-presses, a few lathes, some necessary instruments. Then he hired a local as his foreman and some three or four workers. The idea was to take orders from a motorcycle manufacturer, which too had recently come up in this town. This motorcycle factory outsourced almost ninety percent of their work to small manufacturing units like our own workshop. For every component there were at least three manufacturers and the factory could drive their prices and control the supplies as per their requirements. The inspector of the incoming supplies could turn the stringency of his checking up by just a notch, and the lot would be returned.

All this was specially true for the lowest rung of the suppliers, those who had joined this business recently. They often found themselves scrabbling just to pay their workers, becoming obligated to their own suppliers as well, as they would have bought materials on credit from them. It was for these reasons that a workshop owner's life became very stressful.

His not being an engineering oriented person, made my dad vulnerable to those around him who were. After a few foremen were ejected, the one who settled in had sense and tact to wield his skill knowledgebly enough, that he was never thought so much in the wrong to be fired, and yet appeared by virtue of a little technical knowledge he possesed of some value. He hid his own personal designs behind this veneer, something which surfaced much later. Such a person is even more deadly to have close to you and begin to rely upon, as he slowly sucks your confidence in doing even the things that you could do well. But then, this is what reality is !

The first six months were unreal in more ways than one. That I was doing this, was itself a surprise of a sort to me every time I thought about it. I had put my hand on the till where catastrophe was a certainity, and with it I felt, much of what made up my life until then. I imagined myself being gradually sucked into this maw of machines and metal, workshops and traders, all clamoring for money we did not have. The people at the manufacturer's started to appear almost like deities with the power they wielded over us, to delay our payments, or reject our supplies, or to even give us enough orders that we have enough to work with, and make some money from manufacturing to carry on.

I started literally at the bottom. I was not even the person who operated the machines directly, instead, I was the person turning the wheel of the hand press while the operator fed the metal blanks and removed them after each stroke. Ofcourse the workers were initially a little stirred by this, expecting that I would only last a few hours then move to the office and sit at the table, with papers or something of the sort.

But I had a sense of abandon, I wished something big to happen, or nothing. Because no small event or change was going to turn this ship around, as it sometimes appeared to be. And not knowing what I could do specifically, I just put my head down, caught up in that small process of my immediate operation, and let myself go into it.

This isn't much of a life, and there wasn't much to speak about after sitting at the press for eight hours. I'd walk home as it was only a few miles, and I felt the life that I had known until then slowly recede and dissolve into some oblivion. Only one thing I can remember feeling sure about, and that was that somehow, this is all I can do, and so this is all I am doing.

Six months later my dad left the management of the buisness altogether. I had somewhat of a footing, and the workers regarded me as the one incharge. And so did those outside the buisness, the ones who had payments to collect from us, and those who needed a point man to put pressure on to deliver, threatening to cancel the existing orders.

With someone who has experienced something similar, this might resonate well. It is a little like drowning and fighting for your life. Life preservation in these circumstances is an instinctive act, the actions of flailing your limbs to free yourself and give some upward buoyancy come naturally.

But imagine yourself in that situation and not even knowing which direction to pull towards. At such a time there is a notion which may arise within you. I remember it seeming like a choice almost, and as if it was of no great significance. You felt you had the choice of not surrendering despite the overwhelming odds. You clasped on to this idea, recognizing some other features of it as well, just as you might for a species of a plant growing in the wild.

Without such a support from within, it would have been impossible to keep my sanity. In that quiet hour as I walked home after work, I saw the various events arranging themselves, projecting for me what I should do next. And that is how it seemed to carry on for a long time, for nearly two years, as I struggled to break out of the vicious circle. To find something complex that we could manufacture, and with a margin of profit sufficient to turn around our downwards trend.

When you have a rope to grasp, which to begin with, only seemed like a rope, but turns into a lifeline for you. Your uncertainity melts away, and your focus only strengthens its existence. What an exhilarating feeling that is! As I happened that day to walk across the table of a design officer who I only somewhat knew, something on his table caught my eyes, and I asked him what it was. They were looking for suppliers to make this component for them, but it might perhaps be a little beyond our capability. It was a significant moment as he looked at me, seeing the eagerness, the mixture of intensity and despair, whatever it was, he was a kindly man and said to me, "Sure. Go ahead, give it a try."
Rajiv   
May 15, 2009
Writing Feedback / Machine Learning versus Learning by Humans [51]

Thank you Kevin, your comments are deeply appreciated. I wondered though, if you could tell that this experience followed immediately after the last , the spiritual one. It was all of this happening in the background which was driving me to seek 'answers' to my predicament, that I did not feel I had the strength to face.
Rajiv   
May 15, 2009
Writing Feedback / Machine Learning versus Learning by Humans [51]

I liked how you brought up the 'will to give' on the other thread. It's counterpart 'will to power' has a certain facination to me, the kind one has for something deadly or dangerous. I see it as the belief driving many people here in US to keep the world in status-quo, as we all inherited it, in its differences. The colonizing countries having looted the 'weaker' ones, left them bereft not only of their material wealth but weakened in their psyches as well through oppresive practices.

How difficult the present economic climate is to set up an industry here in US. Imagine the situation worsening in this same way for another ten or twenty years. You can be sure, much of what is 'civilized' will be ripped away.
Rajiv   
May 16, 2009
Writing Feedback / "People of MTV generation have no patience. They want instant satisfaction." [84]

Philosophically, it is the argument whether "patience" as a virtue is worth cultivating anymore; when technology has "evolved" the world to the point that we can demand and expect instant gratification in everything, and every time. The latter argument implying that fundamentals such as "patience" are from an earlier schools of thought, and need not apply in the newer(evolutionary) understanding of the world.
Rajiv   
May 16, 2009
Writing Feedback / "People of MTV generation have no patience. They want instant satisfaction." [84]

Here is some more on "patience"; first from an evolutionist's point of view -

People were advised to cultivate patience, so that things that were in process, would complete, having gone through the stages, or steps they were designed to or known to have. Point to understand being, that were you already aware of the time each stage of the process would take, you wouldn't need "patience". You need patience only when you do not know what's going on, and must keep yourself from becoming agitated; as when, your child or your sibling isn't back from somewhere and it's past the time that they were expected to be. Patience is a schooling of the mind.

Interestingly, the non-evolutionary idea of patience goes further. It says, that it is due to the effort the individual makes, and effort here is not the usual kind of exerting ourselves, but often in some other fashion, maybe holding thoughts of anxiety at bay by focusing on something at a deeper level, that we cause the "forces in nature" to set things to happen as per our will. So patience is a force of its own kind.
Rajiv   
May 17, 2009
Writing Feedback / Machine Learning versus Learning by Humans [51]

Yes, that maybe so. I meant it as power over others, a societal point of view. Did you perhaps mean it as strength, as in an enhanced ability?

If I have your definition correct, then according to me, the only source of that power is a common one which we are all able to tap into on occasions. We then feel it as a surge in ourselves, in our self confidence, and generally as a feeling of getting in tune with things which matter to us at that time.

Power over others is of a different nature altogether. It is something to one individual's or a group's benefit, but at cost to others, and ofcourse I see that as negative.

Will to power - I have only superficial knowledge of Nietzche's writing. He obviously points to something positive in this. I'll be grateful to understand that from you.
Rajiv   
May 18, 2009
Writing Feedback / "People of MTV generation have no patience. They want instant satisfaction." [84]

But I wonder if you notice, that even in what you have quoted, or rather in your explanation of it, you are falling short of admitting to an action happening simply because you have that thought in your mind. As though an intelligence, over yours, recognizes it and then acts it on your behalf.

And this is again, simply because of a certain mental attitude you have when you are patient, a little humble, a little accepting that other things of which you may not be aware of, in the larger play of events within which yours is a part, need to be carried through. This is more like when a teacher might notice the student who sits and waits patiently to have his question answered.

The opposite of the "squeaky wheel".
Rajiv   
May 20, 2009
Writing Feedback / Machine Learning versus Learning by Humans [51]

OK Sean. On "true knowledge".

Here's the picture coming to my mind. A forest, you are lost in it, dark, dense and maybe even a little interesting; that is, you've started to become interested in the flora and the foilage around you; but are at the same time moving on, in some direction, and sometimes you ask yourself...where are you going?

There aren't other people sharing this space with you, as this is like the space we find ourselves in when we are alone.

You meet someone now, who points to something, maybe on the trees; some kind of distinctive markings, and tells you ".. in case you're wondering if these trees ever end, then follow those markings. Go in the direction where they appear to increase, where you find more and more trees that have them."

You are in a quandry now, because you had started to develop a sense of your own direction. You're not very sure if it is a way out, but this sense has somehow come to you from these things you've been observing, things which started to interest you. And that is more or less, how you've been guiding your steps. You are asked now to disregard these things which intrigue you, and follow those other markings instead to come out of the forest.

Naturally, you want to know the reason why take someone's word for it that, 'just' these markings lead the way out.

If you like this metaphor, I'll carry on. I want to be sure there isn't anything else of real significance to you - that I'm missing.
Rajiv   
May 24, 2009
Writing Feedback / Machine Learning versus Learning by Humans [51]

Here's another picture. I hope it brings some clarity to the ideas I am attempting to convey.

Imagine a bunch of marbles bouncing energetically on some surface. They don't all have the same path as they bounce, and one can see after watching them a while that they have different energies, and they bound in different directions, some even showing unique traits of their own. All is of course within the bounds of what marbles can do.

Let's further imagine each has inscribed some of our names on it. Now to help me explain the concept I wish to put across, let me say, for this example, that the one with the most energy has your name, 'Sean' on it. So, as observers we all begin to notice that our marble 'Sean' is almost characteristically different. It bounces the highest, with seeming ease, it knocks other marbles off from their patterns, which is all fine because that is the nature of this marble game.

Now imagine we can ourselves 'hear' what each of these marbles is saying to itself. We as observers have the advantage of knowing that every action of this whole collection depends on the force they have picked up until this time. That is, none of their actions is truly random. And this we say with the certainity of our own knowledge of the physics of such phenomenon.

Moving to the next step, we start reading the minds of these marbles, which being more limited than ours, are more about their immediate experience. They have little knowledge of how they acquired the force from previous encounters. Follow along with me now, and tell me if what I read sounds plausible to you as well. Every jump Sean makes, he tallies in his mind. Every encounter he sees coming up, his face lights up and he puts himself entirely into delivering the soundest of blows. He is our favourite marble here, the most exciting one to watch and we applaud the skill he uses and his many capabilities, as a marble, to create so much action.

What although we begin in time to notice, since we can read his mind, that though entirely predictable to us, every time he launches himself, he thinks himself as drawing his energy and his direction from somewhere deep within. He seems as though to have little or no knowledge of the many energies he picked up during his lifetime; at various times, for being at a particular place, at a particular time. He does not see how the trajectory he finds himself on, which seems so appropriately to counter another marble's play, lies in the hands of the one whose hands he was flung from. This time the player chose him, at another, the player will pick another - for just these moves.
Rajiv   
May 24, 2009
Writing Feedback / History, Royal Engineer essay. [6]

Bravo !! This was one of the most enjoyable piece of writing I have ever come across !!!
Rajiv   
May 26, 2009
Writing Feedback / Machine Learning versus Learning by Humans [51]

What I believe in, as I mentioned earlier, is in Sanskrit; though parts of it may appear similar to "determinism".

I really wish you to relate with the rest as well. Aside from the slightest of jesting, all light heartedly intentioned in the two posts above, I was quite sincerely answering your question on the test of "true knowledge" - whether it stands up to empirical test or is simply faith. I wondered if all my metaphors conveyed their sense. The primary question in my mind being, whether you or anyone seeking such answers recognizes where he must begin. I think people are likely to brush aside that " space like when you are alone" as a temporary lapse in their mind. More so because it is accompanied by a sense almost like fear. But this moment, according to where I am coming from, is more real than our perceptions, and even our thoughts. And even further, this is where we cognize, and wherein lies the "reality" of things we "see" and "understand".

My sense is, you usually go through these posts too quickly to respond at the level I am talking with you.

If you are confident you do know what I mean, then surely that seemingly dark space is where we are all lost. Finding our way out should be, and actually is, our only desire.
Rajiv   
May 29, 2009
Writing Feedback / "People of MTV generation have no patience. They want instant satisfaction." [84]

That is quite an interesting statement.

Indian philosophy offers an explanation here. That unlikely as it appears, deliberate deception is precisely the intention. And the deciever is Maya. It has three qualities and everything -- everything other than consciousness is Maya, and it's three qualities.

The moot point being that Maya, cannot be understood, since our minds too are only it's components. Depending on what we may be talking about, the definitions of these qualities come across a shade different. The actuality of things, is the Satva quality. Our extrapolations, is the Rajas quality of our minds. The last, negative and dark, is Tamas.

It is the first, the actuality of things which we want to be most concerned with. We seek the light and Satva, also interpreted as truth, is the way. Though it isn't itself consciousness -- that being us.

I know all this adds up only to definitions and in no way explains anything; but one way I think about this is that, quite independently you've come to a definition which is a fundamental concept in another philosophy. It's like coming up to a door and not going in.
Rajiv   
May 30, 2009
Writing Feedback / Machine Learning versus Learning by Humans [51]

Thanks a lot - I take it that you three did get the meaning as I intended to convey in the metaphors. I appreciate your comments nonetheless, and will be really happy to hear more of your thinking on all this written above.
Rajiv   
May 31, 2009
Writing Feedback / Machine Learning versus Learning by Humans [51]

Could you explain Maya in more detail?

Maya is the beguiler -- let me give her this gender as she often is represented in Indian philosophy, where she is also known as Prakriti, translated as nature in English. Her counterpart is Purusha, a male, and represents consciousness alone.

As it often happens in life, when a male and female meet, come closer, then decide on a life together, the female is very concerned with the life her man has lived until then; and also all his other tendencies. Now if they have come together with a sincere commitment to go through thick and thin, it is not enough for the female to only know what her man is, or weaknesses he has acted by, in the past. For them to live in harmony and for her to continously care for him and love him increasingly by the passing days, she has to tease out those tendencies in him which will make him act in ways detrimental to their conjugal life. In this sense, she becomes of a nature which is the complement of his.

The more sincere are her efforts and keener her own spirit to root out from their lives, his many wilder-ness-es, the more she knows will their life pass in stability and understanding together. So she plays out many roles; and more so in the earliest years of their lives together.

And he gives in to those impulses in himself and plays the part he is unable to keep himself from doing; and she, like some lioness crouched till then on the side, punishes him. Always letting him see clearly that he stands guilty by his own conscience, the laws he asked her to trust him by; so that now, she is really carrying out the purging he has not the discipline to do upon himself. The man may wish to revolt, give up their world together, and think of finding a life in the wilderness without her companionship and harmony; and sometimes he even may, but then she would have erred, and both are sorry with the outcome.
Rajiv   
Jun 5, 2009
Research Papers / Research paper on Mormons! [20]

conversions are especially high among African-American prison populations

-- sounds biased to me.
Rajiv   
Jun 5, 2009
Research Papers / Research paper on Mormons! [20]

Simone, Notoman is saying that with reference to Muslim conversions, not Mormonic. The way he simply puts it there, sounds like his own opinion to me.
Rajiv   
Jun 5, 2009
Research Papers / Research paper on Mormons! [20]

Thank you !

I didn't mean my comments as racist in any way.

I'd hate to think that about you.
Rajiv   
Jun 5, 2009
Writing Feedback / "People of MTV generation have no patience. They want instant satisfaction." [84]

Kevin -- you are vacillating in the position you want to commit to!

This idea about -- what we spend more of our time doing -- is actually quite the correct one to consider in answering what our own reality is. How unlikely it is for you and I, that we will decide upon and then actually spend hours, days, months and years pursuing a reality beyond the common one; the one you refer to as enlightenment. It is easy for us to not deliberately think of those who experienced it, as having started from where you and I now are. Why not accept the weakness in our own resolve?

Is this any different from the student who on starting his college, makes a resolve to become an engineer, for instance? We know he succeeds not because of the instruction he gets there, but more, because almost certainly, of the hours foregoing many "fun" things his buddies were into, and working instead at some concept or thorny problem. Which then became the base for the next concept, and so on, as his mind developed toughness and capability as he was ready to graduate.

I think those who do not get into a course of study they wish for, probably think of it all as pretty useless -- similar to us, who know we cannot do what it might take, in this other more abstract realm.
Rajiv   
Jun 5, 2009
Research Papers / Research paper on Mormons! [20]

It should be a good thing if a religion has the versatality to even embrace the circumstances of prison inmates and give them some thing to make meaning with, of their lives. Why the concern, do you happen to know?
Rajiv   
Jun 5, 2009
Writing Feedback / "People of MTV generation have no patience. They want instant satisfaction." [84]

Other than Silicon, the naturally occuring semiconductor, its neighbors in the periodic table, Arsenic and Germanium can be doctored to behave as semiconductors, by a process of doping -- adding an extra electron or a hole by ion-implantation or chemical means. Selectively doping a semiconductor enables formation of millions of switches on it, which are each controlled by electric currents. So we get a sort of a hardware device which seems to understand us, as it is programmed to do, when we 'talk' to it by sending inputs as current impulses.

In this entire process how do you envision enhancing our minds by transforming them into semiconductors? Hard-wiring is the limit of what can be done with semiconductors -- and that is a very inferior level of executing instructions, like the kind you would find opening garage doors or in vending machines?

Wasn't this one of the fallacies the other thread brought up, on respecting authority for its own sake.

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