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Rajiv   
Jun 11, 2007
Writing Feedback / A presence in oneself -- an essay [19]

Greetings Sarah!

Definitely, to try and conjure up this 'concept' of presence is not likely to succeed. Instead we begin with what we feel is real for us. Maybe things which surround us, or our particular situation, as a mix of troubles and happenings.

If we are more comfortable with a sense of reality in 'things' around us, we cannot ignore that any sense of the real we have, comes to us through our senses. But since we make much more of these same things, inside our heads, (else they would be fragments of data,) we accept the existence of a reality of these same, somewhere beyond our common perception.

It is not so difficult to see ourselves, our identity, there as well; to whom else is all we perceive making sense otherwise? We may try to examine just what is it, what does it really do? But if we ask who is doing the examining, we have to accept that, that too is only the same.

Seems we really can't get away from ourselves.

But if we take our identity as just that and nothing more, that is, it does not actually initiate any action, what disaster could befall us? Is it just the same as choosing not to act?

Thanks
Rajiv   
Jun 12, 2007
Writing Feedback / A presence in oneself -- an essay [19]

Greetings Sarah!

I meant "instead" in place of "but" at the start of the last paragraph, making the sentence mean the opposite of as you read it, quite correctly.

Thank you for pointing it out.

So, with that meaning, our identity is only a sense of such, and we have a moment before every action, especially with routine actions, when we can consider, if we are just attaching ourselves to this action or is it anything more.

Thanks.
Rajiv   
Jun 13, 2007
Writing Feedback / A presence in oneself -- an essay [19]

And, if it is only that, then given everything before, and our karmas, things could not have been different from as they are now.

Many who read or otherwise come upon this philosophy, understand it as saying not to act, thereby, making out its message as being of inaction, translated simplistically as lazy.

It would be, I admit, if the person's intent was truly to be indolent. But, quite subtly, if the person was instead, looking, or more correctly seeking, for the spring in his every action, he would only quite mistakenly appear not wishing to act -- on account of his indolence.

Don't you think so?
Rajiv   
Jun 13, 2007
Writing Feedback / A presence in oneself -- an essay [19]

We have reached the end of the philosophy.

This last idea we have struggled with of identity, is called Asmita, and was mentioned in "Eastern thought introduction," the earlier topic. It is truly difficult to overcome, if at all. It is poetically portrayed in one Indian epic Ramayana, often read as an allegory of the human struggles to overcome an earthly bondage.

In it, the reality within ourself is an heir-apparent, banished to spend fourteen years in a forest, more perilous in the times of this story. He is accompanied by his wife, insisting to be on his side. She is the tranquility we seek. A brother, representing hot-headed valor, maybe even rationality, joins them.

While in their little abode, when the king-to-be is away, a demon disguised as a sage deceives the brother away from the cottage, and seizing the princess, carries her to his own kingdom. The demon is none other than Asmita we mentioned. Well, gathering together his many energies, most prominently his life-energy, represented in the story as a monkey-leader dwelling in the forest, the king sets out to win back his queen, and succeeds, but after he has vanquished the demon.

My own demons are not conquered. I cannot truthfully take this discussion forward and speak as though with experience of what may lie past this.

Rajiv
Rajiv   
Aug 2, 2007
Essays / End of Suffering -- Essay [22]

end of suffering?

The question is, that, as nature gives us circumstances which somehow befit us and our deeds in the past, should it not be possible, if we can do that, to make such a turn in ourselves, that Nature has no option but to change as well. Because what we did earlier, if it was wrong, it was on account of some shortcomings. To teach us how what we did is wrong, as per the principles of Nature, she gives us our special reactions, all of which is still within her laws. That is, no one can say she acted unfairly, though people do say life isn't fair.

But if Nature's actions are a unique reaction to who we are, then it should be possible to change her actions by making a real change in ourselves. But we do not have the capacity to recognize a real change, that itself being the reason why we acted as we did. Instead, we reach out to that power beyond Nature who set up the laws that she follows, and this we believe we can, and make an internal posture, a posture of who we now want to be, someone who is definitely a good person, someone who, had we been like that always, would never have been given this suffering, and say, give me some other circumstances which will strengthen me in this better personality, and take away this present suffering. I will voluntarily put myself through the tempering to become really as this. It is like a promise, a pledge.

Sometimes a person may really be so much at the end of his capacity, that he can only ask more and more sincerely for this sort of release from his circumstances of suffering. At one point his sincerity is so genuine that given the new circumstances he is asking, it is certain he will really be a changed person.

Can we not say his circumstances are bound to change, because he has already become a different person?
Rajiv   
Aug 3, 2007
Essays / End of Suffering -- Essay [22]

Greetings Sarah,

Yes we always acted naturally, so how can we do things differently now?

Perhaps if we can think more at par with the "maker of the laws" instead of being governed by them. And since we are caught up in the actions of these, by birth itself, we can try to extricate ourselves, seek a path out. ( ?)

Thanks.
Rajiv   
Aug 9, 2007
Essays / End of Suffering -- Essay [22]

Greetings Sarah,

Heady as the feeling might be to think ourselves so free, and even empowered to make nature do as we desire, barriers exist as reactions we have already set in motion. Seems sensible then, that the way to recognize these would be to hold still, let them crash around us like high waves on a beach till the turbulence settles, and we feel a freedom in our movements. Our capacity to understand rises, freed from dealing so much with reactions. We may then wish to explore our ability to make changes in the laws of nature, if only to know that we can.

But now, we are probably capable of making the gentlest intervention, not by phvsical force, but by mental action. See if we can really do that, before accepting we are on the correct path.

So we leave nature's laws as they are, the part we understand as physics, chemistry and medicine, and address something different, so relevant yet outside the purview of these. Their efficaciousness. We did talk about this, that what actually happens depends in some way on who it is happening to.

Someone close to me has a disease with no certain cure. Philosophicaly, his condition is a consequence of his past, but not in the normal way, since medically the causes of his disease are not clearly understood. My contention is that continuing as he is, psychlogically, the course of his illness will be like for others with the same condition. But by intervening to change the personal part of it, which to nature is the real part for giving him the extent of his suffering, we can change the course.

Thanks.
Rajiv   
Aug 29, 2007
Essays / End of Suffering -- Essay [22]

Greetings Sarah,

I apologize for taking this time to respond! I was in fact waiting for some turbulence in my life to settle.

I must insist that saying, " I can do nothing" is the better course than saying " I will do something ".

My 'person' is an extremely difficult one. I have had to see him up close and know his ways, some of them decidedly devious. In honesty, I have been one victim of his guiles. I fault him - not for pushing his burden on me, but for never acknowledging that it caused a serious turn to my life, one could even say, a damaging one. Now, that's all water under the bridge. I am happy to see 'vistas' I couldn't have dreamed of, had I walked the common path alone. But he has great difficulty letting go, accepting this weakness in the past.

I was visiting him when I started this post. I think you can see how I would like him to let go, and his suffering and disease will all go with it too.

Thanks.

Rajiv
Rajiv   
Aug 31, 2007
Essays / End of Suffering -- Essay [22]

Thank you Sarah for the kind words.

I would like to exercise these two expressions," If it is known..." and "... change the unchangeable."

Does the first not mean, by those smarter than ourselves, and the next, I accept restraints that I would not even attempt to change.

I must admit to discover the truth in the philosophy, if it is so, is a meaning far beyond the closest of relationships. In some ways it may be like it has been with scientists who have often had to put up with the censure of people around them, because they pursued their goal too single mindedly.

That being my intent, my expectation is for my circumstances too to so arrange themselves, that I move closer to discovering that which I seek. I may discover a turn, along the way which defines this truth differently. But that too would be because of the effort made to reach that turn.

My circumstances and I, both act independently, but also in a perfect harmony.

And my pursuit is to 'see', by causing it to change, that individual signature which determines for each of us, their fate, just as you defined it.
Rajiv   
Sep 2, 2007
Essays / End of Suffering -- Essay [22]

Hello Sarah,

I did think we were getting some clarity in how an eastern perspective overarches the conventionally scientific. I'll attempt to state that again.

In everything we consider scientific, there is room for something more to happen, between our intent and when and as it actually does. To lessen these external factors, we strive to shut them out, creating laboratory conditions. But the fact remains that we do not live in any such controlled environment, and hopefully never will.

The eastern perspective states a law which encompasses the seemingly random external influences, that life is determined by our intent. What makes our lives, moment to moment, are events whose laws we understand in physics, chemistry, medicine, the conventional sciences. The mechanism in a gun will work scientifically, the medicine will do what it's supposed to, but who dies and who is cured and when, there is an indeterminateness here. We may strive to overcome it, but this itself is a subject.

The idea of 'intent' is not as innocuous as it may appear. So ignoring the laboratory-like-conditions, and taking nature's actions as a whole, we are ready to study a science, with a different scope - if we wish to. Let's not forget here, that we are recipients of even what happens to our bodies. Life, or nature, gives us most of our 'feedback, signals, rewards', through what we experience bodily.

Thanks.
Rajiv   
Sep 3, 2007
Writing Feedback / Reading response to "Talking Up Close" [3]

Hello Colla,

Sarah is doing all the work here, and she will be shortly offering you '..a few editing suggestions.'

I'm just hanging around, enjoying the different personalities and cultures, which I can glean. I really loved your ungrammatical articulateness about your feelings and experiences in America. I lived ten years in US and am now since last couple of years in Europe, so your comments struck a specially picquant note.

Keep going strong!

Rajiv
Rajiv   
Sep 3, 2007
Essays / End of Suffering -- Essay [22]

Greetings, Sarah.

I wonder though if this made as much sense, '..that we are recipients of even what happens to our bodies.' As, did I say it correctly enough and also, from a 'literal' point of view.

I mean that we are in reality not our bodies, only experiencing through them. The 'incarnation' idea is then not so far-fetched. This body, kind of then, does not belong to us and we are more readily willing to accept the next garb. Well, at least it will be new.

But there's more going on. With each new incarnation comes all else. Of where we are born, the circumstances. For so will be the shaping of our lives starting with our earliest thinking. Our minds are a blank slate, no memory of what happened before then.

Are you with me in all this?

So, we are talking about laws in nature which in their scope go far and beyond those we study in school. Because these must be in place, else our birth would be quite random. Of course, this only if you accept the incarnation idea.

Thanks.
Rajiv   
Sep 4, 2007
Essays / End of Suffering -- Essay [22]

Greetings Sarah,

In the question "..where does our energy go when we die?" would you please explain what is "our energy". Is it the conventional meaning of energy, like in plant-life, with no intellectual content? If it has higher content why do we still call it energy?

Is it that we leave some kind of imprint after we depart, of this higher content?

Thanks.
Rajiv   
Sep 7, 2007
Essays / End of Suffering -- Essay [22]

Greetings Sarah!

As cultures, mine is reputed to be airy, and yours is more grounded in the real. So I am trying to see truths as you might.

You say, the answer lies in what one "believes" to be true. Does this mean there is a fact that one may believe in correctly, or is all belief an illusion, a clinging to naught.

Or, is 'believing' it so, make it real?

If this last is correct, why not just believe, since it will make it true for us? That there is an imprint we come to in this life, and one we will 'reincarnate' into in the next.

Thanks.
Rajiv   
Sep 10, 2007
Essays / End of Suffering -- Essay [22]

Greetings Sarah,

For superstitions, one may say "why not, if believing makes one happier than not believing." But something that has not contradicted reason, how can we be sure we are not misleading ourselves from prejudice, when dismissing it as superstition?

Thanks.
Rajiv   
Sep 11, 2007
Essays / End of Suffering -- Essay [22]

Greetings Sarah,

I cannot see why anyone should be miserable just believing that our existence goes beyond this life. But even so, it can cease to be a fact for them I agree, if they always attribute the cause of each event in their lives to some new fact. Even if they could correlate them to some 'invisible' imprint. This insistence on looking the other way, I see as prejudice.

Thanks very much for your efforts in answering this.

Rajiv
Rajiv   
Sep 11, 2007
Writing Feedback / Memory is an attachment to our physical selves; Reincarnation / Process of memory [3]

We have struggled to define the imprint that we reincarnate into. But lets look at it this way, that it is itself what we have become. It is no longer visible, or there is no possibility of seeing it, as now it is who we are. We are the imprint, manifested.

At any time we make an effort to come to a sense of ourselves, instead of taking our physical selves or even our mind as the point of origin from where we look out, we can take the power of awareness itself, as origin. We make this shift in our frame of reference.

Imagine a process of a coalescing and precipitation taking place in a glassful of liquid. So is this body formed. If we grasp the origin as defined above, there is no specific point where we can really say it is. We do not become aware of ourselves. The awareness exists first, this sense of 'us' ness is floating in it.

What relates one such coalesced form to another, so we can say that it becomes that? They form, they reach some size according to the properties of the liquid and then they break up and dissolve. How may we say that something persisted and became the cause for the next to form?

When I examine the process of memory, I see it has an existence unlike say, thoughts. A persistence even. I can go back to some recent event, say a time when I was waiting for a bus, and can extract further details from it, as though I am looking at a picture. And this picture is imprinted in my mind. In the experience, a physical etching took place in some subtle part of myself that I see only in my mind. And like a written page it revives for me, and I can live again what happened the first time. It belongs to the physical part of myself, and ages with time, and is dissolved with the body.

When considering the idea of reincarnation our greatest doubts arise because we cannot in the faintest way recollect anything of our past life. But, since memory is an attachment to our physical selves, it is not where we should hope to find those details, as we do when revisiting our memories. The imprints instead, is who we are. They shine through us as a mixture of our own characteristics.

We cannot foretell the events to come, or even a predisposition of events to take place, unless we free ourselves from this sense of identity. Then what is to be, comes to us with an assurance. At present we pull away from that projection, and connect the facts to those we know and others we are sure will take place. We may lose this assurance if we see something intervening with which the sequence to the original event is not definite. Yet, even inexplicably sometimes, we know that something will be so. Like flowing into something, somewhere, we haven't been before, and yet were certain it would be there.

We may insist on calling these projections our imagination. But just as easily we could accept their veracity, their existence, an until then un-manifested existence that we have the power to perceive.
Rajiv   
Sep 12, 2007
Writing Feedback / Memory is an attachment to our physical selves; Reincarnation / Process of memory [3]

Greetings, and thank you for your remarks Sarah.

Something I would like to add, hopefully making it more clear.

In the third-last paragraph.

They shine through us as a mixture of our own characteristics. We become attached to these characteristics, calling them our own and taking them as part of our identities.

And in the last sentence in the next paragraph.

Yet, even inexplicably sometimes, we know that something will be so.Then, like flowing into something, somewhere, we haven't been before, and yet were certain it would be there, we experience it.

Rajiv
Rajiv   
Oct 30, 2007
Undergraduate / SCARY MOVIES; What is your most frightened experience? - college essay [13]

Dear Wisfulizze,

Thank you for sharing your experience. As I read through it, I realized here was something true, an experience that very few have had, and you were making such an effort to tell it all. Or is it because of it's 'life defining ' quality, it is forever etched in your mind.

Aside from what Sarah has said, I want to tell you, you have communicated very well in the original piece, unfortunately since it must conform to the rules of the language it must be trimmed and watered down from its earlier strong character.

I think too, people in United States have some embarassment when people of other cultures speak of a 'God of Death..'. It's your choice what you want to say finally, but I personally understand you completely, specially when you described him as waiting for you 'gloatingly'.

I am so glad to have read your peice. Thank you for your boldness and good luck.

Rajiv
Rajiv   
Jan 17, 2008
Writing Feedback / A tale - part 1 (group of young people) [4]

Not a fairy tale...

The weather was very pleasant where this story begins. It was mid - September and though the land the people lived in, could be very, very warm it really wasn't so now. A description of it's people and history is more interesting. It was a devastated land, limping to recovery, and almost no one was aware of it's history, aware that they were really living it. They just took it's state as granted.

How did all this happen? Ah.. that's the story of the world, in the times we now live we are disconnected from that. We may not find how some things we read about, may actually be the attempt of someone to write what he witnessed as it happened before his eyes.

The roots of these people were deep, really deep, as old as any other living people. Philosophy is a distillation of knowledge, till it no longer refers to a time and it's particular events, but somehow, has reached in to bring into words those things, which do not seem to have a bearing on when, and to whom it happened - but is yet important and of interest for others to know. This kind of philosophy, comes only as a process in time naturally, the distillate of the experience of the peoples.

In the end, you can destroy everything, including most of the people living in the land, you may also as an attacker bent on mayhem, repress the people. The effort to root out their thinking, their manner of thinking will have to be very malicious, because you will make the effort to take their young, and painstakingly work at making them release their hold on what they are bound to in their beliefs.

Ah, this is a very somber tone for any tale, but unfortunately we have to go over all of this to understand the backdrop of our story.

Our story begins with a group of friendly young people, playfully playing their games, unaware of what has happened much before they were born.

Our story gets it's character from a particular fact that, amongst these otherwise unexceptional happenings, that there is nothing here which isn't also taking place in countless other places on that land, there was something different. Amongst them is another person, not so young, in fact of twice their age, and the interesting thing is his own history.

He can remember the time when he was just as old as these young people, and because he too grew up and belongs to this land, their history is his also. Like them, when he was of their age, he was just as unaware of the past of his people, at least he too had no idea that it mattered.

Then something in his life changed. In a way which he was able to make nothing about. It felt like nothing he could understand, reading in books, in his University or elsewhere. All he could tell was that somehow his future was, as though, being devastated even before he could reach it. How is one to grapple with this?

Was there a choice? no obviously there wasn't. Something extremely evil had taken away the picture, the one everyone lives by. It did not feel any less threatening than having one's breath sucked out. With each passing day the feeling of foreboding only increased.

Then he found one release. One place he could find some solace from this wringing of his spirit, and that was where then he placed the roots afresh of his life. Where he would grow up from.

It should not be surprising that this was none other than discovering the philosophy, the distilled philosophy of his people. You may even think that if his circumstances had not been so extreme, he would never have arrived to this point. It is not that people haven't access to the literature which he turned to. But he turned to it with his very person. Every morning he woke up, his mind would find it's way to this way of life and thought, as described in the literature he was reading.

Everything started to come together in a coherent whole. Yet something about his circumstances was disconnected. He could not see how to understand, that which was happening to him. And so it went on, till one day the moment happened. The inner life and thought coincided with his outer life. He saw and understood, what was going on with him, and also, what he needed to do to remove the feeling of being strangled by his circumstances. Actually he saw that he had no choice and everything would follow now on it's own accord, and he had only to wait till that point into the future, maybe some five or seven years out, then he would be released. A totally free person, like everyone else seemed to be..

It would be the matter for another interesting story, the events which followed. But you should not be surprised that they were near miraculous. He did as he had understood in that moment of truth. His conviction was so strong that he could not understand why others did not act with the same kind of conviction. He saw that perhaps the reason people fumbled was only on account of this uncertainty they had. Everybody spoke about what was the right thing to do, but in action, under some confusion they too were carried away from their own direction. They lost a connection with their own minds.

Sad to say that our person, the one whose history we are narrating, did not become a hero as one may think. Why, how come? You may ask. That perhaps is the first lesson everyone learns in adulthood. The lesson of the intrinsic selfishness of human character. This is not a lesson I would happily pass on to friends and those I care about. That do not stretch yourself too much to do something which is someone else's to do. Almost like saying, do not save a drowning man. He will not be willing to live under that obligation. If no one saw you saved him, he will discredit you and the risk you put yourself to. Years later he will even have another picture of the events and you will stand there mouth agape.

The sad fact is that the person who you helped is now embarrassed by your presence and wants you to leave because you remind him, he thinks, of his weakness and his faults which led to his getting into the prediction you found him and risked yourself.

So, we move on, narrating more history of this person who now finds himself with these young friends. Yes life's like that, unremitting. I doubt it is so extreme in what it will dole out to all. I think our person is really being prepared for something equally extreme.

What he had been through prepared him for what followed after another nearly fifteen years.

But for now, he found respite in the life that followed. He could live like others.

Lets gloss over the next ten to fifteen years because they were not remarkable. In time he married and was happy to find himself doing something more current and exciting for those times. Something his friends were doing, which stimulated their minds and intellect, creating a picture of a future which was unbounded.

There is another interesting thing going on which we must also now reckon with.

Without understanding completely why, the people look outwards, that is, to other lands where they see people live better, maybe even are themselves better, as thinkers, and seem to excel at other things. The products they manufacture are better, so is their way of living, and of course their money is almost 50 times more valuable than ours.

Everybody has heard about how the lives of those who left and lived there a while, had changed for the better. With the kind of opportunities offered, obviously nothing better could happen to an individual than to go and live there.

... end of part 1.
Rajiv   
Jan 20, 2008
Writing Feedback / A tale - part 1 (group of young people) [4]

Dear Sarah. Thank you very much - nice hearing from you too. It's easier writing knowing you are on the other end!

Rajiv
Rajiv   
Jan 30, 2008
Writing Feedback / Tale - Part 2 (jobeless in a foreign land) [13]

Why should a tale of someone's life, or even just a period of it, be of any interest to others? Perhaps if the life is so singular, or could we say, so singularly wrought, that it takes a direction we do not expect. The person himself makes his choices because according to him, there are none other. He hears a different drummer altogether.

He believes that within all circumstances lie their reasons, you reach through them, only to pass through... like doorways.

He saw this in the opportunity that came to his spouse when she sought admission into a university abroad, leaving the country with one of their young children. Later, he did not resist when she asked him to join her there, leaving his employment.

Other things which followed were not in themselves remarkable, till perhaps when he too sought and was admitted into the same university for a one-semester course. He wished to learn more of how programming works. He was a programmer but from practice alone.

This situation is again similar to the one we began this tale with, where he finds himself amongst students younger than himself.

We won't make too much of the difference in the accents he found the other students spoke in, as native speakers of the language. He notices though, a slight sharpness in the teacher's eye as he sees him, because he stands out, being older than the others. Maybe there's something else about him too. He's a little uneasy, and feels so are the others.

The main lecture has nearly a hundred students in the hall. Next, is a smaller class with a teaching assistant, a younger person who was introduced earlier. He notices a person from his own country, and senses him making an effort to fit. He can see the others are easier with him, with what he is trying to be.

'The runtime Organization of Programming languages' -- it really is such an interesting sounding course. Parse it slowly, and it's not hard to see that for a home-grown programmer, who for years has only written programs following rules of the languages in manuals, this is nothing short of the 'key' to understanding what lies beneath the code.

So everything is present, the interest, the setting - all of which could not have been better.

As in every class, there is some earlier work you've only partly done. You are wondering how the others have succeeded and are better tuned to the material of the lecture. The TA makes references to the assignment, giving hints on how to approach it, but you are distracted by the newness of the surroundings, and tell yourself that you need only to put more effort, and can solve the problems on your own.

The class is finally over and you come out in the sunshine. People are in pairs, and threes, heads bowed, some glance towards you. You don't want to appear purposeless, or even looking too hard for companionship. You move out with the bunch, find the path leading back, and reach home slightly disheveled inside, wondering what happened exactly.

It isn't different in the classes which follow. The main lecture is too crowded to articulate your difficulty, it would be embarrassing and awkward. Then wondering how it would be in the tutorial class with the TA, you think you will muster the courage and say ' I just don't understand anything at all. Can you please help me. I notice others form groups and manage to turn in assignments, but I do not know where to begin.' But, you cannot even say this. You want the TA to notice your difficulty and address you directly himself in some way, but for some reason, he does not.

In a fortunate turn of events, a programming job turns up through a person from your own country.

Back home there are these exclusive places, owned by the very wealthy. We looked upon that kind of solid, elaborate construction as meaning - lots of money. Here, everything was as that. You felt like you walked into a designer shop and were only a dumpy tramp.

What would you think of a software organization only miles from the Washington monument, employing 20 people of which all but 3 are Asians. The founder and president of the company, an American ex-professor built up his team as this, picking the brightest of his Asian students, but wisely chose to have the public face of his company represented by three pleasant American women, at the reception, managing the administration and as the financial controller.

I am sure they developed good skills for dealing in the right way with intelligent Asians, given the close contact necessary in the working of this high technology company.

There are custom built cars, custom tailored clothes and there is custom designed software. The makers of these are on the high end of their market and competing fiercely with the mass produced, lesser priced versions of the product. In the end they are driven to such a small niche that they find it harder to keep their specialty exclusive so that customers are still willing to pay for it.

This organization after ten years of fairly successful existence was now in this struggle. Their specialty had become a common enough work space, and other companies were making products that were easy to configure with only little tweaking.

Those which mass produce have a different business model and when they acquire other companies, seek to expand their product range by bringing in technologies, people, products and all, perhaps even the customer base, calling it all a merger. The acquired company is restructured and whimsically, some weight is shed in terms of the employees.

All this happened in a period of three years, so it was a learning of a different kind afforded in these circumstances, if one was inclined to learn from it.

The acquiring Atlanta based company was 400 employee strong and had much less international orientation. Those interacting with us faced difficulties they were hardly expecting or prepared to tackle. Some chose to take a 'nerdy' stance, sticking with only the technicalities of the software, others came across somewhat to their own discomfiture, as conquerors of sorts, not knowing how to converse with us. Often, just being able to articulate well puts one at a disadvantage. The rapid expression dislodges the other's footing whose command of the language is less. But only in their confidence to express themselves, and their reply is coarser than they intend. They hear themselves, the hearer might considerately repeat what he heard, as if to ask, is that what you wished to say, and our non-native speaker unsure he'll get it better the next time mutely acquiesces, accepting reluctantly.

It's obvious that whatever sense holds out, is due to such factors as, which side wields more power in that situation. For from an imagined fear, one may not wish to cause more to be pitted against oneself. But the person is unhappy with the outcome, and with himself, for losing his confidence. It's no surprise he will cast elsewhere to go.

You are in a foreign land, jobless, feeling slightly unwanted, confused and bewildered. You ask your spouse if it isn't a good time to just head back home. She has finished graduating and found a beginning job. Her prospects appear quite different. Maybe it is not fair to ask her to give it all up now. You have instead to make what you can with whatever you have..

It begins to appear not the best solution to find fulltime employment. The children are at that endearing age where, they ask for your love, you don't want not to be there when they do. You take stock and in the back of your mind, you see that however strange your course of action, it's something you really wish to do.

You have time and again felt yourself, your belief in yourself, challenged. Challenged in a fundamental way. However things work out, you have done no wrong, can you not hope for them to work out right. It is hard to see past the bend, there isn't any thing similar that you know of. Yet you strongly feel a call to hold fast to the path opening here. What it will do for you more than anything else is make firm the foundling stone, the one on which rest your other beliefs. Isn't it worth the while for everyone to put their beliefs to this test.

It is more challenging in a way to test beliefs you built in another culture, amongst other people and under different conditions altogether. You will have to let go all you have, assuming great responsibility, and let it ride on your conviction.

At the same time you are drawn to what works here in place of belief. Each step is clearly delineated. The progression of ideas logical. Beyond that nothing is acceptable. Don't talk of your beliefs to people here, they will laugh indulgently. They ask what can you do instead. That is the challenge you cannot pass. You remember your personal experience, of when the world stood still for you and you saw how things just follow a pattern, even your own actions outside your ability to withhold, and everything else of the same nature.

You can listen to the logic screaming outside, or to the drummer within.
Rajiv   
Jan 31, 2008
Writing Feedback / Tale - Part 2 (jobeless in a foreign land) [13]

Your kind words are so encouraging...

Yes I do meet some like you Sarah, far too few; many, many others in between.

Thanks.
Rajiv   
Feb 4, 2008
Writing Feedback / Tale - Part 2 (jobeless in a foreign land) [13]

Am I trying to deceive you, starting my tale as though it was going to be about the present, and instead going on about the past?

Fact is, I am trying to create so much background that, whatever follows becomes somehow predictable.

Don't we often wish that it were really so, and keep resisting every moment created afresh? It's always in a very limited way that we succeed to abstract patterns, which informs us rightly, and along which life may just take it's course again.

But I can say this with certainty that we are not mistaken, when, carrying some notion, we experience some things again and again, till it is finally driven into our heads, that it is so, and no other. I went into the 'West' with a notion not different than which others who only hear about it have, and then I 'experienced' it. Experienced it at length and slowly, till I understood what we got wrong, something that is almost always - lost in translation.

Countries are not dissimilar from houses and people living in them. There is a time you are welcome in someone's home and there is a time you are not. Whatever the special circumstances which take you to live in another country, you can be absolutely sure, that the reception you receive, in the crowds in grocery stores or walking along a trail, in restaurants from others there, it's all as though you walked into someone else's home!

In the last twenty years I was there, these same people visited us in our country. I remember greeting them with enthusiasm, a reflection of their own interest, in our exotic culture, our history, our mystical philosophy. I enjoyed as much asking about their own thinking, and it was by placing the two ways of thought, side-by-side, that we all got the most in our thirst for knowledge. It was of something intangible which was neither built on hypothesis or premises. Nor followed in didactic logical construction. But sprang from within us, all of us sitting together, from East and West, and seemed to fill us with it's own beauty and reasonableness.

All this was playing in the back of my mind as I found this place, in the neighborhood we lived in US. An ideal place to come together and talk of the oneness of humans.

Like some naïve philosopher-student I sat there on the metal benches, arranged around a fountain, outside a large bookstore. People stopped there sometimes to enjoy the sun, or sip coffee and eat their lunch and doughnuts. Right along this spot, ran a wide trail where walkers, joggers and bike riders could saunter to, for human company and warmth, one would think.

Something about this place seemed it would connect me with the real life in these parts. A little like the musicians who performed in this spot sometimes, hoping to connect with their higher destinies.

Anyone who has sat by himself in a park or some similar place, in an untroubled frame of mind, knows that soon you start reading life as it is happening around you. You do not intrude into any individual's events, or countenance, but gather from it all something, quite gently, and it refreshes you; it answers something you have not asked yet, and when you walk away you can sense this knowledge gently put in your mind.

India, in its people, is of three distinct categories. The very rich, themselves invisible, but their wealth is not, they are the owners of elaborately constructed buildings and fleets of expensive cars. More evident is the middle class. They are what is working in the country, as we see before us. Then the unfortunate, which is the third class, the deprived. Deprived of food, shelter, security from disease. Even deprived of the opportunity itself to rise above their plight.

If some young people stand at that junction in their lives, where they will soon find themselves free to shape it, using only skills they have acquired till then, it is evident they will suffer acute anxiety.

But remove the poor crowding the streets, and remove hovels they live in, lining the streets of almost all the neighborhoods, then what is left? It is incredibly, the same scene described above, the gathering spot outside the bookstore in US.

So, I tried to do this. To help these young people see that they are not themselves the poverty which surrounds them, nor will they ever become a part of it. Neither need they consider it their responsibility, for that's just a weight on their minds, a needless burden for their unseasoned frames. However the poor find their way out of their misery, and that is the only way acceptable to any intelligent person, to find it on his own, the incredible and undeniable aspect of these unfortunate people is, that they lack nothing in basic intelligence, just in direction and opportunity. So the best we can do is expand their possibilities for them, by doing whatever we do best, nothing more.

Freed from this burden, then what are we up against, what are we contending with? The world, and as equals. We are equal to any individual in any developed nation, but you need to be able to talk with everybody. Not only talk but communicate, in a way, that your confidence in your abilities comes through.

I see all this, but now things have come to this pass that I must not do anything, not even with these people, those whom I wish to share this wisdom with.

For the purpose of my own quest, and lying deeper perhaps, is another vein of knowledge that I too wish to tap into. The knowledge of our past heritage. If it did not surface for me in the US, maybe I will see it better here.
Rajiv   
Feb 5, 2008
Writing Feedback / Tale - Part 2 (jobeless in a foreign land) [13]

Sarah,

No it is no aberrent after thought, the middle class in India. I did not have to try too hard to see spots of sub-urban America in abundance in our own metros.

Thanks.

Rajiv
Rajiv   
Feb 6, 2008
Writing Feedback / Tale - Part 2 (jobeless in a foreign land) [13]

Greetings!

There's the goodness welling out again. I'm glad I pursue things you say which I'm not so comfortable about.

"Bollywood" is from Bombay now known as Mumbai, India.
Baliwood... you're thinking Indonesia.

If that's the one thing better known, can't let that pass of as somewhere else!
Nice chatting with you Sarah.

Thanks.

Rajiv
Rajiv   
Feb 7, 2008
Writing Feedback / Tale - Part 2 (jobeless in a foreign land) [13]

Dear Sarah,

You mentioned your interest in the spiritual "preoccupation" of the people in India.

We've talked in a fashion about it. Discussing with you helped me immensely, as you can understand. By its nature, belief comes and takes up its abode deep within, and when your mind does not have its protective barriers of critical thought. In that sense we're only the perpetrators, passing on something given us.

Sometimes though we may find ourselves so cornered, by life, that we can neither surrender nor let her just run us over. Surrender, in the sense, something within me has seen life's events validated in one way, and I had agreed that this makes sense. Now I am asked to accept something quite contrary to that earlier experience. I cannot let go my sense of reason - so that's what I cling to as the most precious of everything here happening.

But reason seems to stand aside from all that life is doing, it does not enhance or diminish with the waxing and waning of all else that life is... and all I can see is life, and life alone. Yet I clung to reason when challenged by life, and survived her onslaught. Here seems something which rises beyond the vagaries of life, and as wondrous, is my own ability to grasp it. I see it in life's ironies, I see it in risks and adventures. Not so much when things happen as they are supposed to, but when things happen as they're not. For she, that is reason, even though shining through everything, gave it sense and meaning, was not herself that.

Don't you think that's all we really talked about?

Rajiv
Rajiv   
Feb 9, 2008
Writing Feedback / Tale - Part 2 (jobeless in a foreign land) [13]

Greetings!

What I meant in the above, is not other than what the words imply. Like an object we might view in a mist. That is, reason stands out in its own existence, all else is mist. Except it lights up everything, so we also percieve these, but its when we "see" the reason standing itself, that everything clicks.

Incidentally, it's a genuine compliment amongst Indians, at least in India, if they are thought preoccupied with spirituality.

Thanks
Rajiv   
Apr 20, 2008
Writing Feedback / You know life moves on - doesn't it? ; A Farewell Note to the Class [5]

Greetings.

A note to the class and others running the program mentioned here.


Hello there:

You know life moves on - doesn't it!

Since there isn't likely to be any formal ending to our soon to be concluding program, I feel the need to at least try and sum up. Add the positive and negatives and see in balance what is to be said about the experience these past six months.

It feels so much like an unfinished something at this moment. Something abruptly coming to an end and it's not feeling right. It's almost as though something has gone wrong within the program and I am certain, nothing has.

I am finding this unacceptable that were things left as they are, the impression we all who have attended the program will carry is that something failed, or worse, that in some sense we failed - in achieving some 'undefined' mark. Whereas in reality, I feel we actually met the mark. Truly, we actually made it!

We have achieved a very real and strong orientation to the subject we came to learn. Other than that we also learnt lessons we were not thinking we will be learning here. The reason for that may be the unique make up of this group and the dynamics that came about as a result from that.

Here is what I can say from my own perspective. I stress this because that is a major ingredient to the mood being as it is. I feel others have drawn back slightly from a close sense of camaraderie we once shared. One reason can be that they acknowledge that they are unable to completely comprehend something I wished to communicate to them. Another less pleasant reason is just an intrinsic sense of mistrust, so detrimental to learning something not in the prescribed coursework.

The time for our mutual interaction is coming to a close and there isn't any need to try and say things as gently as possible. I tried to lead my class mates, in the space where I exercised influence, towards an end I saw possible for them. It had to do with learning an attitude, an attitude I think would enable them to be as they are, yet make the impact on people of Western cultures, people who are most likely to be dominating their lives, a fact they cannot as yet see.

Somewhere down the road this exercise came apart and though on the surface, there is an individual, who spoke out against my entire efforts and attempt, I think it as likely that everybody felt secure agreeing with that particular line of thought.

But no one can turn away from -truth-, that is our training through life and childhood. Sometimes the truth is so harsh, we are just unwilling to accept it. Unfortunately that attitude is not going to help, the harsh truth has to be faced, and if that is so, why not be prepared.

It is a fact of life, that those born in the West are at an advantage. It is a fact that in the struggle we find ourselves, they have the high ground. We have also to accept that they realize this better than we do and will like to keep things the way they are. It is not a solution to hate them, but it is 'the' solution to just do those very things which they are doing, and do them better.

The special thing that I have felt in the course has been the continual and genuine attempt by all the teachers to make us understand concepts in a real way. This, they stressed time and again was different from learning for exams. Because when we learn as we have done in our schools, we become someone else's property. We are used as a component in a bigger machine, which does not really improve our own quality of life, but of their country. And this is how the order is maintained as it is now. We end up working against ourselves and do not realize it!

Good luck to the VLSI class of 2007-'08.
Rajiv   
Jun 9, 2008
Writing Feedback / You know life moves on - doesn't it? ; A Farewell Note to the Class [5]

A note to the same people addressed in the note above, after the class dispersed. This is an attempt to bring them together, and to influence the program co-ordinators to extend the program to the next higher stage.

This is just a random email to say how much I have you all on my mind. Another time later I will also send you some pictures of these beautiful natural surroundings I am so fortunate to live in, atleast for now...

For those of you who may not know, M.. and I have become friends though he might say we never were not friends. He wrote me a very clear and nice note on the day I was leaving Delhi, expressed his remorse for how things had gone between the class and me, and we have agreed to meet and drink a glass of wine on Patnitop sometime soon I am hoping.

So many things we do, and at the time we cannot see how they are just one action in a composition of many things that are happening at the same time, and in that sense, it was all meant to be the way it happened. I was talking with Mr G.. during lunch one time, soon after things started to happen in the wrong way for me, as it seemed to me at that time. It was about this incident I had read that took place in Washington and was reported in the news there.

A small group of Tibetan monks had been invited to exhibit some of their artwork at a National museum there. As you may know, Tibetan monks make mandalas and this group worked very hard making an intricate design with coloured sand and it was nearly complete after some days. This work was going on in the museum itself, so while they were not working on the piece, it was cordoned off by a rope. A mother came along with her son who was about 8 to 9 years old and leaving him near this artwork she went a little away to purchase tickets. The security camera captured how this boy, being a typical boy, crossed over and methodically using his foot, rubbed and demolished the entire piece of art which had been made on the ground. There wasn't anyone to stop him. The mother came back, saw what he had done and more in fright that she may have compensate the damage, simple scurried away with him.

As the entire incident was captured on camera, it made the news and everyone was outraged, blaming the mother , the child and other similar things. One monk was interviewed by a news channel and asked that, since there were only a few days remaining what was their reaction to the whole episode. The monk was very calm and smiling. He said, it was quite alright and perhaps this is how it was meant to be. They would now work only harder and re-build the mandala and have it ready before the exhibition opens. I saw his interview on my website where I read this news. I do not know how much attention their mandala would have got from the American public, and how many people would have come over to see it. But the way in which the monk took everything in stride, and showed that it only strengthened their determination to showcase their culture, this I am sure made much more of an impact. You can surely understand what I am pointing to here.

I was surprised at that time by his answer, but it gave me a perspective on what was happening with us.

I won't make this note much longer, but I do want to say, I hope you are also thinking about things the same way that I am.

regards
Rajiv   
Aug 12, 2008
Writing Feedback / Some of my thoughts - an essay [8]

Do we really cause things to happen - as, does something within ourselves do this?
Some things, some actions appear natural and correct, and others appear strained. Take something very ordinary like walking along with someone. I notice and I'm sure the other person does too, those things which are not natural. Simple things, not necessarily in what we are talking, but even actions, if I do make them. To bring this out in greater relief, it is most obvious when, these individuals are seeking to impress the other, maybe with some aspect of themselves, that they believe, or maybe they are themselves uncertain about, but wonder if it may be so.

But I am drawing attention to only that which is natural and asking, why is it so?
We are almost always, apparently making choices from a multitude of many - of things we could do, and ways we could do them. I may stop now and make a cup of coffee or, I may get up and go sit elsewhere. Or, that I chose to write.

But later, when someone asks me and I tell them I did this, or I didn't do this, they think of some actions as natural and others may strike them as weird, or they may think, good for you, you finally got around to it. These things appear more and more as only the expected. And growing out in an expected way.

But we're trying to talk about the unexpected happening, in a natural way.
As when considering two varieties of corn, of which we know one has superior growth, we watch them over days and weeks and see this difference, but don't see anything now indicating that it would happen as this.

We think about individuals we've known, those we grew up close with and have seen their traits. Then we come to know about them after a period of many years. That it turned out as such and such is not a surprise to us, but that something in particular happened with them, surprises us and sets us thinking, and we say to ourselves, that's life. It's something totally unexpected, yet we accept it as natural, and even try to take some lesson for ourselves from it.

This is what I am trying to talk about, that nature acts, and acts in a way that is somehow appropriate, befits just who we are, just who we needed to become - which then we do, due to that natural intervention to our life.

Thanks.
Rajiv   
Aug 13, 2008
Writing Feedback / Some of my thoughts - an essay [8]

hello Gloria,

This is not an assignment in the usual sense of the word as I do not have to turn it in.

I would be grateful for your feedback on two counts. Clarity of my expression and your own thoughts, if you will, on what I wrote.

Thank you.

Rajiv
Rajiv   
Aug 25, 2008
Poetry / "It was Good to Have Known you Sarah" - Poem [6]

I met you on this beach of words,
I was moving along and you were curious,
Curious of the movements I made,
Where I looked, where I hopped to.

Perhaps it was just your gentle way,
But slowly my movements were caught by your gaze,
Slowly I was reading from your eyes, your silent gestures,
What I should say, to even say what I may.

Now once again I find myself moving along,
I notice you are not by my side,
Only your encouraging spirit will never leave,
And though I know you acknowledged,
How words are but fetters, of a language,
Our thoughts can rise in any.

What meter, what grammar, what punctuation even,
Someone lives within, lives also without,
You can set Him free, Her free,
Flow not with words of your own,
But from somewhere you'll never ever know.

It was so Good to Have known You Sarah.
Rajiv   
Sep 1, 2008
Poetry / Destined - a poem [10]

It may happen to us as this,
that we might begin to understand our lives,
not as following , as what we did,
but only as is written, on some invisible wall, of destiny.

No more substance to our lives,
not the kind we make so much about,
of our homes, our loved ones,
only a writing on the wall, the one no one can see.

Why this game, this illusion, you may ask,
whom for. What of the pain, the blood,
the grief that is so real, of loved ones
when they are no more, around.

This is what I think, that yes
pain is real. It's like our fingers touch reality.
But only that is real, nothing else
is happening, our breath, our lives, nothing at all.

Who awakes, to every fresh day,
Stretches in the morning light.
Who fends his life, through work, with friends,
who even sits and contemplates?

Who dreams big dreams, of life,
and wealth, abundance of joy and family.
Who applies himself to worldly knowledge,
that he may one day be recognized?

It seems this way to me,
There is little substance in what these we believe to be.
Each day happens, there isn't anyone to see,
Can it be, any other way at all.
Rajiv   
Sep 1, 2008
Poetry / Destined - a poem [10]

Hello Gloria,

This isn't an assignment. Just your comments would be greatly appreciated.

Is it OK if I continue to post what I write? I have always felt inspired by this site and would really hate to have to go.

Thanks,

Rajiv
Rajiv   
Sep 2, 2008
Undergraduate / Hingham, the meadow; Meaning of MY NAME [4]

Dear Biggirl,

Was this a question only to you or also others in your class. I'm wondering what a person named "Janet" or " Mike" would write.

So are you currently in Vietnam or the United States?

Does Hingham mean meadow or tranquil? The rest of this question is inappropriate for this forum.

Thanks.
Rajiv   
Sep 5, 2008
Poetry / I am poem; I am determined and shy [8]

I pretend that the world is a perfect place to live in
I feel like the world is looking down to unwealthy people
I touch...the window panes and see the glimmering goodies inside
I worry ...I may never have them, sometimes -- should I even try
I cry when im watching sad movies
I am determined and shy

I understand that anything is possible
I say...I too can do what I try
I dream to become and interior designer in the future
I try to get straight A's in my report card
I hope ...there isn't anything which will hold me back
I am determined and shy

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