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Name: David Alan Ruks I I
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GIjoefan1976   
May 13, 2016
Writing Feedback / Some people believe that it is impossible to help all people in need around [3]

To a certain extent I agree that governments should be better toatconcentrateconcentrating on helping people of their own country. However, I also think takingcarecaring too much about citizens may havea negative effect on the government and society.

On the one hand, governments should only be responsible for helping their citizens...

... too much attention on citizens may havea negative effect on government.
... for example, in healthwhen it comes to health then they may ultimately become dependent ...
GIjoefan1976   
May 13, 2016
Book Reports / The Archetype of the scapegoat and persacution in Shirley Jackson's "The lottery," [3]

Speak Up For Others Or Who Will Speak Up For You

The poem "First They Came For Me" by Martin Niemoller shows why we should speak up for others.

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out/

Because I was not a Socialist . . . Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me."

We are shown this same theme in Shirley Jackson's "The lottery," through the character Mrs. Tessie Hutchinson who becomes the scapegoat. Dictionary.com defines the term scapegoat to mean " a person or group to bear the blame for others or to suffer in their place." In Shirley Jackson's "The lottery", the character Mrs. Tessie Hutchinson embodies this definition

In the lottery, Mrs. Tessie Hutchinson shows that she sees nothing wrong with the lottery, and actually looking forward to it. We can assume that when the past "winners" of the lottery tried to convince the villagers to not go along with the lottery once they drew the winning piece of wood with the mark/now a piece of wood she did not speak up.

Unlike most scapegoats that don't choose to become one by taking the blame or being forced to be sacrificed or become a victim. Tessie can be considered a willful scapegoat because she accepts the position Theoretically by participating in the ritual where her odds of becoming the one sacrificed for the good of the town, and to ensure bountiful crops as explained by old man 'Lottery in June, corn be heavy soon is possible in part because of her. When she participated in past lotteries she could have spoke up, which possibly could have prevented this years lottery. She had a chance in the story to avoid her fate, before we are aware that Tessie becomes the scapegoat we observe examples of where she is looking forward to the lottery and is willing to accept there is nothing wrong with the Lottery, and participating in the lottery. We are first shown that Tessie is looking forward to the lottery is " Mrs. Hutchinson came hurriedly along the path to the square..." (Jackson 1239) Here she had a chance to avoid the lottery, as well as what later becomes her fate. She sees nothing wrong with the lottery and even encourages her husband when his name is called "Get up there, Bill," Mrs. Hutchinson said" (Jackson 1231)

When Tessie realizes she is more likely to become the soon to be stoned individual she begins to suffer mentally even before she suffers physically

"You didn't give him enough time" "There's Don and Eva," Mrs. Hutchinson yelled. "Make them take their chances!" (Shirley Jackson 1241) Here we are shown where Tessie starts to make excuses to escape her fate. Trying to avoid her fate by blaming others and hoping to better her chances by passing her fate onto others even her own kids are not off limits if it means she may live.

"I think we ought to start over", Mrs. Hutchinson said as quietly as she could." (Jackson 1242) she is trying to get the others in the crowd to speak up in agreement with her, in hopes of avoiding her fate.

"I tell you it wasn't fair. You didn't give him time enough to choose. Everybody saw that."(Jackson 1242) Here again, she is giving the crowd an opportunity to speak up for her in hopes she can convince them she knows what they are thinking. "listen, everybody," Mrs. Hutchinson was saying to the people around her. She hesitated for a minute, looking around defiantly and then set her lips and went up to the box. She snatched a paper out and held it behind her." (Jackson 1242) Still she tries to convince the crowd to think her way and tries to defy the rules until she sees that is not going to save her from her fate. Even then she still tries to hide that she is the scapegoat. "Bill Hutchinson went over to his wife and forced the slip of paper out of her hand." (Jackson 1243) Even her own husband does not try to help his wife from avoiding her fate "Tessie Hutchinson was in the center in the center of a cleared space by now, and she held her hands out desperately as the villagers moved in on her " " It isn't fair." She said..." (Jackson 1243) she is begging for mercy from the villagers. "It isn't fair, it isn't right" Mrs. Hutchinson screamed..." (Jackson 1243) When all else has failed she now tries to convince the villagers that the lottery is wrong.

Tessie is part of an ongoing system that continues even after her presumed death much like the persecution that continues in our real world.

The Archetype of the scapegoat has been around before Martin Niemöller (1892-1984) life, after Shirley Jackson's life (1919-1965) and continues today this is why we must learn from Martin Niemöller's poem, the character Tessie from in Shirley Jackson's "The Lottery" that we as a people need to stand up, speak up for others as when we do it maybe be in the end ourselves that we have prevented from becoming a scapegoat.

what do you all think? thanks for giving me Your opinions and feed back
GIjoefan1976   
Apr 24, 2016
Book Reports / Wrote a analytical essay of Amy Tans, "Two Kinds" but I lacking understanding of a introduction, etc [7]

Thanks, Yes you bet. It's cool as I think we are from the same area. Yes I very much appreciate your help and your additions are very good.

I can use the changes other than

the mother can be just like her friend who has a daughter who in a similar fashion is a prodigy.

Another time the daughter is not thereis when her mother is watching ...

The mother has to poke-Jei ming to pay attention to the movie on the TV.

These here as I meant to have it come across that the mother is really just trying to just keep up appearances with her friend who has a daughter who is a prodigy. Jing-Mei is not a prodigy and I feel it's wrong how her mother says she accepts her, but really she is charging her.
GIjoefan1976   
Apr 24, 2016
Book Reports / Wrote a analytical essay of Amy Tans, "Two Kinds" but I lacking understanding of a introduction, etc [7]

Hello I appreciate your feedback and for having a different view or even different Analysis of my essay. I do think I have possibly misunderstood the way to interpret the Story, but I and those I have discussed my paper with say that this is really the point of How Analysis works. As readers we will interpret the characters differently, the possible symbols in the story.

(Moreover, an analysis is an essay depicting how you understood the subject and not the way it is written here in your work. The approach you have in this essay is sort of a summary or the story that was told all over again, only in a different way, it is a way that you want to tell the story.)

I am sure I am missing it but I thought I was showing my understanding of the subject by saying

As readers, our first instance where the mother is not allowing her daughter to be the true focus of why she wants her daughter to be a prodigy is where she has not even asked the daughter what she would like to be when she grows up, she does not ask the daughter what she might like to do for fun. Instead, she decides her daughter should be a prodigy only so the mother can be just like her friend who has a daughter who is a prodigy. ' " Of course you can be prodigy, too," '.... ' "You can be best anything..' (Tan 1117)

(It has been suggested I just switch my citations around so it is more like this below.)

' " Of course you can be prodigy, too," '.... ' "You can be best anything..' (Tan 1117)

The Mother says this Yet the reader knows this is not the case as the mother is not allowing her daughter to be the true focus of why she wants her daughter to be a prodigy. She has not even asked the daughter what she would like to be when she grows up, she does not ask the daughter what she might like to do for fun. Instead, she decides her daughter should be a prodigy only so the mother can be just like her friend who has a daughter who is a prodigy.

Thanks for being willing to keep helping me.
GIjoefan1976   
Apr 24, 2016
Book Reports / Wrote a analytical essay of Amy Tans, "Two Kinds" but I lacking understanding of a introduction, etc [7]

Thanks very much. I thank you for helping me to understand. I just recently was told about the triangle. I appreciate you telling me I am to go outside the Text, and my Essay to find information.

So if I am understanding, it is okay to find a argument to back up my argument in the essay. Or maybe not use argument but instead people have told me to say Claim.

So like my First Claim is the mother is misinformed about what a prodigy is and decideds her daughter should be a prodigy for the wrong reason, and goes about trying to make her daughter a prodigy the wrong way.

Thanks again for the help with my thesis. I must have misunderstood my previous class. Where I was under the impression that a thesis could just be

In Amy Tan's "Two Kinds," readers discover that trying to force a person to be a prodigy cannot happen for many reasons.

Or maybe better to say

Becoming a prodigy can not be forced. (Thesis)

The mothers misunderstandings of why and how her daughter can become a prodigy leads the mother to....(topic sentence)

Thanks for the offer to see my changes.
GIjoefan1976   
Apr 22, 2016
Book Reports / Wrote a analytical essay of Amy Tans, "Two Kinds" but I lacking understanding of a introduction, etc [7]

David A Ruks]
[ANNIE NGUYEN]
[ENGL&101 S16 3250]
[Date]

Being Able to Communicate Effectively Can Save Hurt Feelings

In Amy Tan's "Two Kinds," readers discover that trying to force a person to be a prodigy cannot happen for many reasons. Among those reasons the mother puts her wants over the daughters. The mother puts her will over what the daughters wants. The mother miss out on opportunities to encourage her daughter

As readers, our first instance where the mother is not allowing her daughter to be the true focus of why she wants her daughter to be a prodigy is where she has not even asked the daughter what she would like to be when she grows up, she does not ask the daughter what she might like to do for fun. Instead, she decides her daughter should be a prodigy only so the mother can be just like her friend who has a daughter who is a prodigy. ' " Of course you can be prodigy, too," '.... ' "You can be best anything..' (Tan 1117)

Another time the daughter is not the is when her mother is watching old Shirley Temple movies on TV as if they were training movies. Instead of allowing her daughter Jei-ming to be the one interested in the movies, Shirley Temple, tap dancing or singing. The mother has to poke-Jei ming to pay attention to the movie on the TV. "My mother would poke my arm and say, ' " Ni kan" ' "-----You watch. And I would see Shirley tapping her feet, or singing a sailor song,..." (1118).

We later see the mother take again trying the focus away from the daughter is when she decides to change her daughters looks to fit a look that is not her daughters want or idea, but instead in hopes to make her daughter's hair look more like Shirley Temple's. Instead of the mother not saying anything or saying sorry to her daughter. She makes her daughter think she is blaming her for the haircut that was not her idea in the first place, and becomes a mistake. " Instead of getting big fat curls, I emerged with an uneven mass of crinkly black fuzz." ' " You look like Negro Chinese," ' "she lamented, as if I had done this on purpose."

An instance where the mother could have encouraged her daughter but is unable to and does not bring forth a positive outcome is when she tries to make the daughter remember everything she can from a page from the Bible. "One night I had to look at a page from the Bible for three minutes and then report everything I could remember". ' " Now Jehoshaphat had riches and honor in abundance and . . . that's all I remember, Ma," ' "I said." Instead of encouraging her daughter, or giving her praise for trying. She allows her daughter to see disappointment. " And after seeing my mother's disappointed face once again, something inside of me began to die." (1119)

There is also another time the mother loses an opportunity to encourage her daughter when the mother watches The Ed Sullivan Show, and there is ".... A little Chinese girl, about 9 years old, with a Peter Pan Haircut." The daughter defends the little girl on T.V. that in a way resembles her look. ' "What are you picking on her for?" ' ' " ...She's pretty good. Maybe she's not the best, but she's trying hard." ' Instead the mother tells her daughter ' " Just like you" ' "Not the best. Because you not trying" '...(1120)

When the mother decides yet again what the daughter should do, she decides she must now take piano lessons without seeing how the daughter feels about it, which is not favorable. "When my mother told me this. I felt as though I had been sent to hell." The daughter finally asks her mother "why you don't you like me the way I am? I'm not a genius! I can't play the piano." The mother replies ' "Who asks you to be genius?' ' "she Shouted" ' "Only ask you be your best." ' ''For you sake" "You think I want you to be genius? Hnnh!"(1120) This is after slapping her, and after many times in the past not realizing her daughter is already doing this, and the mother doing exactly what she now says she is not. Even a year after of her daughter practicing the mother still has not heard her daughter, and lies about having heard her. Only after her friend brags about her daughter, does Jing-mei's mother boast about Jing-mei's ability. "Waverly Jong had gained a certain amount of fame as Chinatowns littlest Chinese chess champion" ' "She bring home to many trophy," ' lamented Auntie lindo that Sunday. ' "All day she play chess. All day I have no time do nothing but dust off her winnings." ' Jing-mei's mother replies, ' "Our problem worser than yours, If we ask Jing-mei wash dish, she hear nothing but music. It's like you can't stop this natural talent" ' (1121)

After the climax of the story where the truth comes out about the mother being wrong, and the daughter being wrong. "A few weeks later, old chong and my mother conspired to have me play in a talent show" (1121). The mother still tries to make the daughter take piano lessons. Again because the mother is unable to tell the daughter she loves her, is proud of her, wants to know what her daughter is interested in. ' "You want me to be someone that I'm not." "I'll never be the kind of daughter you want me to be." (1121)

Many years later, the daughter is offered the piano for thirtieth birthday. She sees the offer of the piano as "...a sign of forgiveness, a tremendous burden removed." (1124)

Even after this and all the years her mother is still unable to express what she means to say, and the daughter still is unable to realize what the mother is trying to say. ' "Well I probably can't play anymore" ' ' "You Pick up fast " ' ' '' You could been genius if you want to" ' ' "No I couldn't " ' ' " You just not trying" ' Although they both have still not learned to communicate or understand what each other are saying they both have forgiven each other, and the daughter now knows her mother says what she says without meaning to sound like she does not love her. " She was neither angry nor sad" (1124)

Although the mother and daughter have overcome their past, they still disagree about how the daughter could have found a talent and how it could have been a more enjoyable experience. The daughter has learned her mother was trying to, in her own way, show that she loved her daughter, believed in her daughter and wanted to support her daughter, she just was unable to communicate it in a way for her to have possibly understood as a child.

At the beginning before trying to change the daughter, before disappointment was allowed to appear, too many forced tests, raised hopes had broken the daughter and her enjoyment. This has now begun to make her regret her mother and her mother trying to force her to be a prodigy the daughter was enjoying the idea of possibly becoming a prodigy. " In fact, in the beginning I was just as excited as my mother" This now leads the daughter to stop even trying anymore, to stop trying to be her best, and now instead tries everything not to be her best. "So now on nights when my mother presented her tests, I performed listlessly, my head propped on one arm. I pretended to be bored. And I was"

Works Cited
Tan, Amy. "Two Kinds." Literature for Composition. Ed. Sylvan Barnet, William
Burto, and William E.Ca
GIjoefan1976   
Apr 22, 2016
Writing Feedback / Opinion Editorial - The Rise of a Phoenix [9]

hmmm. Good read, unsure how you can say Superman was never Clark Kent, Dean Cain, or Christopher Reeves. as they all came before Phoenix Jones. Unless you mean the spirit or what superman stands for is more than.....
GIjoefan1976   
Apr 22, 2016
Writing Feedback / Some people argue that intellectuality is given and cannot be changed [2]

So maybe it is my Brain not getting it but are you saying you agree with The Idea that.......
Because it sounds like your saying you agree with both arguments? Not sure that you have to reinstate both arguments in your conclusion if you don't agree with them both.
GIjoefan1976   
Apr 22, 2016
Writing Feedback / Is intelligence influenced by nature or learning? [4]

I really appreciated reading this, as I am writing a essay on Amy Tans "Two Kinds" and I feel the mother thinks anyone can just be a prodigy, that it only relies on one just wanting something badly enough, and trying. Yet if you can't do it then it's only because your not wanting it or trying. Yet I believe it's also the being born with the intelligence, and fate.

Unless you fixed it or I misunderstand you wrote

In conclusion, although some people think that intelligence is a nature.

I don't think you wanted the intelligence is "a"....
GIjoefan1976   
Apr 22, 2016
Faq, Help / Question about EssayForum - How does this site work? [103]

Question about which forum I should post in.

I have written a literary Analytical essay. I am sure I have gone about it wrong but I am staying with it as it's honestly my thoughts, and I would rather be wrong and learn from my wrongs than write something I could not understand. My essay is on Amy Tans "Two Kinds"

Thanks.

The Literature section should work fine :)
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