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Argumentative essay on 1984 - Outline [40]
First, in fairness, to help out yonman: Your current thesis isn't very debatable. I'd suggest focusing on another aspect of the novel. For instance, you could argue that "1984's portrayal of society is unrealistic, as it would be impossible for a government to achieve the level of control the government supposedly possesses on that sort of scale." Then, of course, you would need to think of arguments in favor of this thesis. Or, you could argue that "1984 highlights a very real problem with our current government -- that it is run by people who tend to value power for its own sake, leading to corruption and a tendency to totalitarianism." This again would require you to come up with a series of arguments in favor of your position. Both theses are debatable, and so suitable for an argumentative essay.
Now, for Gautama:
You really dont think that helping others is good? Then what is good? What is your definition?
I really don't. At least, I don't believe it is intrinsically good, regardless of context. I'd define good as pursuing your own rational self-interest, purely and without guilt. This might, of course, mean helping some people in some circumstances.
I'm pretty sure that most people on the planet would agree that helping others is a good thing. It's common knowledge.
What's that logical fallacy involving an appeal to popularity, again? If the majority of people believe it, it must be true! Also, I say it depends on how you phrase the question, and on whether you base the answers on what people say or on what they actually do.
By the way, when you say helping others is good, do you mean the following:
1. That if a neo-Nazi group wants help running a local Muslim family out of town, I should take the lead in terrorizing the family?
2. That I should give as much food aid as I can to a starving village in Africa, knowing that my aid will allow the people there to live and reproduce, growing the population exponentially until 10 times as many people die as would have if I had refused to help them originally when my own ability to help them gives out?
3. That I should hide a dangerous criminal from the law if he asks for my help in evading capture?
All of these would be examples of helping others, if you mean we should do so always and without qualification. Or perhaps you would like to agree with me that context is important?
If every single person on this planet were to "periodically or consistently" give to others the world would be a much better place. There are a lot of resources in this world. If people willingly gave them to those who needed it most (intelligently and efficiently of course)
Hmmm . . . this is loaded with qualifiers to your previous statement. "Help" here is assumed to mean the giving of material resources, and intelligently and efficiently at that. Perchance if everyone were smart enough to be able to decide how to help others intelligently and efficiently on their own, then there would be no for them to exercise their powers?
Also, better for whom? And in what way? It would be better for those who were unable or unwilling to fend for themselves, I suppose. How would it be better for the rest of us?
Besides, why should need entitle anyone to anything? If I need your money, why should I expect you to give it to me, when I haven't done anything to earn it? On what basis would I even begin to justify such a claim?
If a communist society were to be completely in effect everyone would have to do their part. You wouldn't be able to get away with putting out the least amount of effort possible.
Yes, "would have to." Hence my point about it being slavery. This also means you need a central authority to enforce this, which makes your distinction between socialism and communism moot.
Also, "If you have the ability to produce x amount, you have to produce x amount." X amount of what? This was a great problem for communism. Without the supply and demand pressures of an open market, the government had to decide what was produced. It inevitably ended up producing too much of some things, and too little of others (including on some occasions things such as food). If you had no central authority at all, this problem would be even worse. I suppose that, if you did have a central authority, it could force people who had the ability to work on those tasks it deemed necessary, even if they didn't want to work on those tasks, or had other abilities in other areas that interested them more -- which brings us back to the slavery thing.
You are talking about socialism
I don't make the same distinction between them. A communist state, to be a state, must necessarily have someone enforce the rules. Any society must have police force, howsoever free it may be. If you are arguing that communism, as a social and economic theory of how humans should live, is utterly unrealistic and unsuited to human nature, then it is a very poor theory, and does not deserve either praise or defense.
A capitalist society does not provide an even playing field at all. Everyone is born with different strengths and weaknesses. That is the way of nature.
Well, yes, but that nature makes us unequal is not the fault of capitalism, nor, to the best of knowledge, does communism strive to make everyone of equal ability (an impossible task), only to give them equal amounts of wealth. The notion of an equal playing field is that only natural inequalities matter -- that is, merit wins out over anything else. Come to think of it, maybe communism does try to reduce everyone to the same level of ability, at that -- death is the great equalizer, after all, and communism always seems to create so many corpses. But I can't believe this is what you are defending.
Ha ha, remember, a "communist government" is an impossibility. By definition there is no government in a communist society.
Again, not making the same distinction you are, so this becomes a matter of semantics. Essentially, you are arguing that you would agree with me if I used the term socialism rather than communism in my arguments. But, since you admit that communism cannot work without a central government because of human nature, it can only come about through socialism, so it really amounts to the same thing.
it is because of a fundamental problem with human nature that communism is blind to.
Here we go. The problem isn't with human nature. The problem is with the theory. If a mathematical theory breaks the rules of mathematical logic it is meant to conform to, the problem isn't with the rules of mathematical logic, but with the theory. If a theory about how humans should live doesn't work because of the way human beings are, then the problem isn't with human beings, but with the theory. Besides, as I said at the opening, I don't agree that altruism is particularly noble as a philosophy to begin with, and so would not be inclined to view a lack of altruism as a problem with human nature anyway.